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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:29 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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To begin with... having vast amounts of these supplies WILL in fact get you injured, killed, or robbed by officials, and desperados. It's a waste of time, space, and money now. For a scenario you have no way of assuring will ever happen.


You home is insured, right. Why bother when you don't know FOR SURE that it will eventually burn down. Your scenario assumes that a) officials/desperados know what you have. b) you don't have any way of defending it (although that is probably true in Britain). Of course it's a waste of time, space and money now, but we're talking about the future aren't we? There aren't any easy fixes to this problem. Having these resources definitely gives you an advantage over people who don't. These preparations aren't something that you can go out and make on a spur of the moment decision.


I don't own a home.... I don't use renters insurance... Reason being that I've lived a relatively non materialistic life and purchase what I need when I need it, discard it, or give it away when it serves no further purpose, and above all... whether a want or a need... I have to rationalize it's use and enjoyment over different levels. Besides that, I don't believe in purchasing protection from fate... it smacks of arrogance and ignorance. What will come to be shall.........

Take for instance the computer I'm typing on at the moment. An Acer 1700 Desknotebook (a portable desktop package) p4 80g, 17in screen and full DVD/rom utlities. TV/radio tuner card, SVHS out, internal floppy and card reader drives, mini subwoofer and decent speaker output.

Everything I need. I don't own a dvd player, stereo or a television... All my parts are based on desktop hardware but incorporated into a notebook (albeit a 10 kilo notebook). Something busts, I replace it and cheaply.

If I want to pack up and move, that's once less television set, stereo, and dvd player to lift, or pay for transit costs.


All in all.... my most treasured, or necessary possessions can fit in a 2 and a half normal suitcases.... the rest I could care less about.

If it all goes up, or gets stolen....big deal... I'll replace them.

If I can't I'll make do without them.

Of course my kitchenware is top of the line yuppie camping/picnic gear. Packs up neatly, looks good enough to serve on, and is light and campfire useable.

My clothing is sturdy hardwearing, and mostly fashionable.. I can slip in and out of a number of scenarios.

My car is a non descript blue sedan, older make and model, but quite common for parts and ease of working on by the owner. There are spares of numerous origins in the trunk... They'll get used someday regardless of where life takes me.

I have only 4 towels, but they're brushed greenish coloured egyptian cotton. They'll outlive me and may keep me warm and hidden in dire times.

the same goes for the rest of my household possessions or possessions in general. My jacket quietly houses the necessities to get by in nearly any scenario for 3 days without walking away looking like a distraught street person, or out of place.


You can see where I'm going with this.

I'm prepared, but nonplussed about preparation.

I could give two shits if all these preparations were stripped of me.

My mind will be unaffected, and can cope.

It's the head you have to pack, not the gear.

If I'm hanging out in a squirrel hut eating burdock and queen ann's lace because some weekend warrior sons of bitches decide to do the friendly fire forage on me..... so be it. I'll quietly submit... preserve my life, and plot my way back, and probably come out with a nice assortment of socks, and bivy bags.



But I don't dwell on these things.... it's pointless. I love my life, and am having a blast living it on my terms.

When death comes it comes... I'll embrace it like I have this life.
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NiKfUrY69 wrote:
Do you mean there is racist activity in other countries?!?

Oh MY!?!

According to the United States Dem/Lib/PC folk - only Southern White Boyz are racists!!!! Ya'll gonna messup the consensus!!

What ever will they think in Demo Kerry land???

Ironic huh?

Later - NiK


Isn't it great to find out you're not the only one?

Yeah everyone is rascist to some extent; only a fool or a saint believes otherwise. You call him a gook, he calls you a gaijin. All the same thing.

But cthulu's idea that the 'White Race' in NZ is in dire threat of extermination just because his son will marry my daughter is a load of cobblers. The dominant culture (and culture is the important bit, not DNA) will be European based, with heavy leavenings of Polynesia and some Asian spice thrown in. But we'll still speak English, still play rugby and still be the same people we were 50 years ago; just with a darker cast to our complexions (and I imagine there'll still be some blonde hair and blue eyes).

I agree that the race issue will be explosive in the States; too much bad history, and two very large minorities with nothing to lose. But here in NZ, it doesn't have to be that way, and I don't think it will.
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Felix wrote:

But cthulu's idea that the 'White Race' in NZ is in dire threat of extermination just because his son will marry my daughter is a load of cobblers. The dominant culture (and culture is the important bit, not DNA) will be European based, with heavy leavenings of Polynesia and some Asian spice thrown in. But we'll still speak English, still play rugby and still be the same people we were 50 years ago; just with a darker cast to our complexions (and I imagine there'll still be some blonde hair and blue eyes).


We already have racial quotas, and racial benefits for non-whites, and anti-white violence. The statistics for New Zealand in 1996 gave the general Caucasian population of New Zealanders at 71% with only about 53% of the population being indigenious whites. I don't see that number advancing at present. You can keep your polynesian culture and asian culture. I don't want it. I don't see much European culture being taught anywhere and in fact I see it being frowned on, while other inferior (lacking history, science (yes it is race based, vidi. The Deline of he West by Oswald Spengler), literature, a wealth of artistic forms) cultures are advanced as being superior (the noble savage myth). As a dis-advantaged minority where I live who has to suffer abuse due to my European Heritage I can tell you, we who remember our cultural roots are stronger than you can imagine. 100 yrs from now there might be two peoples again in this land as connections with the outside break down, Whites and mix-breeds. If the whites can stay strong for long enough, the genetic determinant of the majority will be more towards white than brown. Remember the economic downturns of the past. Get out your history books. We shan't be so kindly to anti-white racists in the future. And as for your government by military and work scheme, lol.

Again, it ain't white if it's brown and that is what you said New Zealand would be in the future. Don't back peddle. Just because you have no choice in the matter any more doesn't mean we who are white are going to get into mixing no matter how much you appeal to my children that that is what they should do. Culture may be a seed, but the quality of the soil says how it will grow. By the way I've been down on the Marae and know that many Maoris are just as racist as anyone else even down to the level of the tribe in some cases, so don't lay any of that crap on me. You are not talking to any ingonorant political flunky but someone whose family roots go a long long way back in this land.
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NiKfUrY69 wrote:
At least in NZ you have a sense of family from the point its a smaller country. The variety here is the states stigmatizes that unity.


Not true. The attack on the family in New Zealand is well advanced. Family breakdown is facilitated by the design of our welfare system, agendas pushed through the educational system ect... and if you mean community again no. Many of the immigrants here do no associate themselves with our predominant culture nor are they required to assimilate, so they don't and form ghettos. Inter-racial violence is common, between different island communities and others like the Somali community. Hey, it's all goood right?
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cthulhu wrote:
NiKfUrY69 wrote:
At least in NZ you have a sense of family from the point its a smaller country. The variety here is the states stigmatizes that unity.


Not true. The attack on the family in New Zealand is well advanced.


Surprisingly, cthulu and I can agree that the family structures in NZ are breaking down, though we'd blame different causes. He thinks our Social Welfare system is principally to blame, and he has a point, but I reckon the pace of modern life, and the energy cheap oil gives us has more to do with it. Not just the family, but the old institutions of sports clubs and community groups are all withering on the vine. I'm in the Territorial Army (Army Reserve) and we have to compete with people going skiing for the weekend, or not wanting to work extra hours because they're still recuperating from going flat out all week.

I see one of the main benefits of the peak being a general slowing down, and localisation of society. With less energy available, people will be force to look locally for support and leisure. Families will be less able to live from one end of the country to the next, and with luck, we'll see extended families making a comeback. The older I get, the more convinced I am that the nuclear family was a dead-end, possible only because we had cheap energy to sustain such an unsupported lifestyle. I guess we'll find out in due course.

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As a dis-advantaged minority where I live who has to suffer abuse due to my European Heritage I can tell you, we who remember our cultural roots are stronger than you can imagine. ..


Do you live in South Auckland or something? If you do, OK, I can understand why you'd be pissed off with all the Nesian kids being twice your size at school and aggressive bastards to boot. But these 'cultural roots' of yours are all around us, bred into the bone marrow of every Kiwi I know. The language we speak, the way we deal with each other, the books we read, the plays and films we see, they're all heavily based on European culture. That's what NZ is culturally, Anglo-Celtic. This vast PC conspiracy you see might have your teeth on edge, but it's only ever going to change the trimmings; no government programme is going to change our core identity and beliefs. That kind of change only comes from within society as a whole. And there is no other large, single, racial group in NZ to change our culture away from it's European base. Not even the Maori can do this. So don't worry about losing your precious 'culture'. You'll still be able to listen to Metallica and watch 'Romper-Stomper' to your hearts content

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We shan't be so kindly to anti-white racists in the future. And as for your government by military and work scheme, lol.
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Who's this we white man? I know I'm just a terrible loony liberal, always wanting to save whales, hug trees and destroy the dignity of 'ol Whitey', but I just don't know who you're talking about. Who forms this vast army of pissed off Pakeha who will not '...be so kindly...' to people like me. I served in the Regular Army for 11 years, and never came across any white supremacists there, and trust me, the Army is not exactly the hangout for pinko socialist PC fascists. Looks like you'll have to form your own Stormtruppen Korps (but again, you'll need more than 40 people to do it)

As for integration through the military, well it has been tried before, with varying success. Just remember that in the hard times to come, we may need to set up a large army to defend what we do have. Soldiers will be drawn from all sectors of society, and if trained properly, men stop bickering with each other based on skin colour. They start working together, because the threat of imminent death does wonders for your sense of priorities. ('No way is Tawhai going to cover me! He's a coon! I don't need his hel....aaargh'). Join the Regular Force and see this work for yourself. It'll do you wonders............

cthulhu wrote:

Again, it ain't white if it's brown and that is what you said New Zealand would be in the future. Don't back peddle. Just because you have no choice in the matter any more doesn't mean we who are white are going to get into mixing no matter how much you appeal to my children that that is what they should do.


OK, you got me on sloppy language. I believe NZ will retain it's current culture, but that over time, intermarriage will darken our skin colour. The end result will be a new race, largely European, with a strong Polynesian streak, looking rather Meditteranean; like Spaniards or Italians (just bigger).

And there's not much you can do about it. Actually, what do you propose to do about it? You can influence your kids to never go near a 'darkie', but who says they won't listen, after a few drinks in a club; 'Hell, he looks all right. Well dressed, charming, nice eyes........' A few months later, and you have a half-caste grandson. You can't stop love, and you sure as hell can't stop lust. Tell me how you intend to try this. Please, I really need a good laugh.

cthulhu wrote:

Culture may be a seed, but the quality of the soil says how it will grow. By the way I've been down on the Marae and know that many Maoris are just as racist as anyone else even down to the level of the tribe in some cases, so don't lay any of that crap on me..


What's this crap about the quality of the soil? I take it that you believe only white people are 'good soil' and therefore, only they will have the highest cultural achievements. I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. After all, I'm 'polluted soil', and therefore incapable of understanding your higher arguements.

Finally, you're right about Maori racism. You and my Mum could talk for hours no doubt, about Islanders and Asians. I'm sure you'd enjoy it. Until you realised she was Maori.
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Jenab wrote:
the government has no business during a crisis telling Prepared people that they must give up their provisions so that "others" (the stupid, the lazy) can eat.

slutsky wrote:
You're right, it is entirely proper for the Government to sit idly by while The Prepared grow Fat in their country estates while millions of People StaRVE tO dEaTH. Wow, this quasi-Nietzschean garbage practically writes itself! The best part is that by randomly capitalizing letters I don't sound stark raving mad at all! ps, if you actually believed any of the stuff you were writing, you wouldn't be on a publicly-viewable web forum gloating about how well-prepared you'll be for when the sky falls.

It is indeed "entirely proper" for the Government to refrain from immoral conduct.

Your simplistic notion that the Government can rescue everybody by expropriating the "hoarders" is wrong. The government won't be saving any lives by doing this: it will be killing the people who had enough foresight to stock up on supplies, but nobody can be rescued from starvation by this means.

The term "hoarder" is itself an improperly loaded term. It implies that evil exists where there is none; i.e., it deliberately confuses wise prudence with wickedness. It conceals evil where it truly does exist: the evil of robbery and the evil of causing death by means of robbery.

trespam wrote:
The government will be the only thing between you and complete chaos, and as much as you'd like to think you've got the weaponry to defend yourself, don't forget: there is always someone with more. What happens if the government breaks down. Bands of ex-military people with all the hardware they need can do whatever they want.


The government will be the primary threat to people who have saved during the times of plenty the means of survival for the times of scarcity. Bandits may be very well armed, indeed, but few of them - even if they are professional soldiers - will have the ability to create their own ammunition from natural raw materials. Once they run out of bullets (which is what they chose to hoard), their hardware won't be worth much.

jpatti wrote:
I've never quite gotten why fat in beef is considered good, yet pork has been bred to be leaner and leaner and leaner. Apparently, consumers want high-fat beef and low-fat pork.

A bit of marbling in meat (both beef and pork) often enhances the flavor, as long as the fat doesn't occur in excessive bulk. You're right: it's not as healthy. The unhealthiness of fatty meat is mostly because humans have not had to run, work, or fight hard enough to burn off that fat since we came out of the "first" stone age. But the evolved taste for a nice JUICY steak (the juice being mostly melted fat) has remained with us all this time.

A number of posters, who essentially said things like these, wrote:
Get off it. The government is your friend. And it is also omniscient and omnipotent, so resistance is futile. People who are suspicious of the government are probably mentally ill anyway because mentally healthy people always do what the government says they should do.

Many posters of that sort may be ideological liberals who believe what they are writing. Some of them might be Feds or their stooges.

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I don't agree with a lot of what Jenab says, but he usually writes in a well-reasoned, calm way. I have changed my opinion of him. He is not a "blind" racist. He has a different opinion than many on this forum, but why not allow him the same courtesys you would allow any other poster?

I've had a lot of practice writing in a well-reasoned, calm way. It comes from school papers that had to be written that way, and authoring USAF technical reports in the same style. But most of the time, it's the very fact that my views on race are well-reasoned and well supported by statistical evidence that makes liberals anxious to censor me.

If a really ignorant racist - yes, there's such a thing - came around to debate, the liberals could carve him up with their rhetorically clever chatter, decorated with impressive-looking (but in fact partial or superficial) statistical data. The liberals would use such a debate to "prove" the vapidity of racism. In fact, liberals might be tempted to contrive for such a debate to occur, using one of their own as an imposter for a racist, in order to obtain a dialog so in their favor.

Now, it's a little different when someone like Dr. William Pierce, or Kevin Strom, or David Duke comes along. When the liberals pull their superficial, partial arguments on a knowledgeable, articulate racist, they get those arguments handed back to them, broken into tiny little pieces. If you think that liberals are offended by racial epithets, you've seen nothing until you've watched a liberal whose racial equality arguments have been destroyed in open debate.

The Peak Oil forum has treated differences of opinion about race in the same way that it treats differences of opinion about whether PO is a real danger, which is unusually fair for a moderated open forum. Before I came here, I'd just been booted out of a forum devoted to fantasy and science fiction, in which a moderator baited me into expressing my honest opinion on [one topic or another] and then slammed me for "rules violations" when I gave it to him.

Before that, it was Indymedia/Thunderbay (the alternative media for "everybody"), MSNBC, and others forums. Nearly every discussion venue has a subforum that touts itself as a venue for free expression, off-topic posts welcome, put the flames here, offended people just go somewhere else, etc. Then I show up, and suddenly there are new rules.

BastardSquad wrote:
If the point of stockpiling food is to survive,then what good is it if they're just going to come and take it anyway.If the point of stockpiling food is to survive,and you're going to go out in a blaze of glory gunbattleing the feds to protect your stash,then what was the point of having it in the first place?It might well be better to save your money and learn how to live off the land!

We will be living off the land. I also have animal traps, and I'm growing fruit-and-nut trees. The stash will, of course, eventually run out. Saved food is not the goal, it is only a bridge that gets you to the goal. But without that bridge, you'll never live to harvest your first crop, or become sufficiently skilled in hunting-and-gathering.

While it is true that the government will go around confiscating, it is also true that they will focus their primary collection efforts on areas where they can get the most return for the least energy cost. Their efforts in areas of low population density may be so limited as to permit a few stocked-up people to evade their net. As time goes on, the confiscators will become more desperate and more willing to scrape the bottom of the barrel, but at the same time their means for doing the scraping will have been reduced. Gasoline will be scarcer, their communications might be spottier, they might be running out of bullets (or men), etc.

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Felix wrote:
G'day Jerry, Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm about a quarter Maori...

A disappointment, then. We'll just have to do our best in the northern hemisphere. I will, however, continue to cheer on my race in your part of the world, as well as in mine.

As you say, the darkies there might be "mighty uppity," but no darkies have ever colonized the world under their own sails against the opposition of the natives in almost every land they reached. The White race has done so, and I think that it might one day do it again.

The difficulty the White race bears is not primarily external: it is primarily internal division that saps away our ability to project power. After the industrial revolution, Whites were "shamed" out of their racial tribalism. Once the good times are over, we will recover it - I think.

In the future, the loss of fossil fuels will deprive us of most of the machinery that we invented, but we might still figure out a way to get around. Even I - having never been a sailor - understand the principles of celestial navigation.

Felix wrote:
That 'All We Need Is A Great Big Melting Pot' song may be a load of crap in most parts of the world, but it is happening here in God's Own Country, and it's working too. Why? Because the immigrants, be they Samoan, Swede or Somali, are not numerous enough to push the dominant culture (Anglo-Celtic, with a strong Polynesian influence) aside. They'll blend in, because that's how it goes.

Remember that New Zealand isn't hurting yet. When it is, your country will 'balkanize' too, with people sorting themselves out, one way or another, into rival factions. Occasionally, the basis for the sorting might be religious, but most of the time it will be racial. Harmony between races doesn't naturally occur - it's not simply "how it goes." It is an artificial consequence of a saturation of material needs combined with a sufficient level of law enforcement.

One of the reasons governments sometimes topple during very difficult economic times is that a cohesive segment of the population is motivated by scarcity to go unrestrained in a big way. Once any one segment does this, all other segments must, or they will be enslaved or destroyed. So the politics of balkanization favor a rapid plunge into tribalism following a collapse of both government and economy.

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As it is, with a few hundred Afghanis, 4,000 Zimbabweans, a thousand Somailis, etc, etc, these groups have no choice but to assimilate into mainstream NZ culture. This will happen over a generation or two, but it will happen. The addition of a broader range of cultures and DNA will make NZ a better and stronger place.

My disagreement with you here has a simple basis. Races do not need each other in the way that, say, men and women do. A race has within itself all the diversity is needs to adapt to a wide range of conditions, plus it has a kind of advantage that is lost when races mix.

It comes about because the genetic inheritance of children doesn't proceed by a smooth averaging from both parents. Different genes from the parents each control a cluster of cells or tissues called "Mendellian units." If a man from a small race mates with a woman from a big race, the resulting child can grow up to be a large man with a small heart, unable even to climb out of bed. Races are inbred enough to have developed a standard by which the Mendellian units usually match, so that the parts of people's bodies work together efficiently in the mechanical sense, as well as chemically and neurologically.

The disadvantage of inbreeding, which of course liberals widely publicize, are the birth defects in children that result when defective genes of the same kind pair in the genotype of a child. But the accumulation of such defects does not occur when the defective are culled - barred from reproduction in some way. Inbreeding combined with a rigid standard for culling defective offspring can improve the quality of a breeding stock by finding and eliminating bad genes. It takes a while, but once it is done you don't get any more defects no matter how inbred your stock is.

Now, inbreeding-with-culling can only take a race so far. Once the gene pool is purified of bad recessives, further development of the race depends on the acquisition of variant genes, and two ways this can happen are mutation and outbreeding. Most mutations themselves introduce defects into the gene pool: only the rare one confers an advantage. Outbreeding is the faster way of getting "diversity," but one must proceed cautiously in the selection of a foreign stud or brood mare. If he or she has hidden genetic defects, those bad recessives will need to be culled out over later generations.

Liberals often point to hybrid vigor as a reason to mix races. However, to get hybrid vigor, you must first purify two lines of stock (i.e., you must obtain two pure family lines by inbreeding), choose a mating pair of animals from the two lines, and obtain offspring from that pair. Those offspring are the F1 hybrid generation, and it is in this generation alone that you can find hybrid vigor. It is not a heritable trait, and subsequent generations of hybrid children do not acquire it. If the pure family lines belong to different races, it is most probable that the gain of hybrid vigor in the F1 generation will be more than lost in later generations, partly because of mismatches in Mendellian units, and never again will the descendants of the hybrids be able to repeat the hybrid vigor phenomenon. Farmers use hybridization to get that F1 generation to realize an increase in market weight (value of meat) in livestock. They don't use the hybrids for subsequent breeding.

Liberals also commonly insist that breeding should be done only with respect to traits visibly possessed by individuals, without regard to the race from which those individuals come. That is also a mistaken idea. The visible traits, or more generally the traits that can be measured by inspection or by performance tests, are those produced by the individual's dominant or paired recessive genes. But people have other genes, unpaired recessives, that form a large, "invisible" reservoir for passing traits on to children.

In other words, children can inherit traits that were do not show in either of his parents, but which were present as recessive genes in them both. It's much as if each child had four parents, rather than two, with the race of the father and the race of the mother being like "phantom" parents whose influence on the children is exercised through the unpaired recessives in their parents.

The result of this inheritance of recessive genes is known as "regression" from the average of the parents to the average of the parents' race(s). The average IQ of an American White is 102. The average IQ of the average American Black is 84. The average IQ of Blacks in some parts of Africa is 70. Let us suppose that from each of these groups, you found a mated pair, each having an IQ of 120 - you'd have to do a fair bit of searching to find such a pair among the Africans, but let's imagine that you succeeded.

The IQs of the children of the American White couple would be normally distributed around an average value of 111, which is the average of 120 (the average for the parents) and 102 (the average for the parents' race). But the IQs of the children of the American Black couple would be normally distributed around an average value of 102, for the same reason. And the IQs of the children of the African Black couple would be distributed around an average of 95 - even if the parents are highly gifted (statistical flukes themselves), most of their children would be dull or mediocre.

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If you do, OK, I can understand why you'd be pissed off with all the Nesian kids being twice your size at school and aggressive bastards to boot.

Did I tell you how big I was? Like this. Because I'm white I'm of a small build am I?

Felix wrote:
But these 'cultural roots' of yours are all around us, bred into the bone marrow of every Kiwi I know. The language we speak, the way we deal with each other, the books we read, the plays and films we see, they're all heavily based on European culture. That's what NZ is culturally, Anglo-Celtic. This vast PC conspiracy you see might have your teeth on edge, but it's only ever going to change the trimmings; no government programme is going to change our core identity and beliefs. That kind of change only comes from within society as a whole. And there is no other large, single, racial group in NZ to change our culture away from it's European base. Not even the Maori can do this. So don't worry about losing your precious 'culture'. You'll still be able to listen to Metallica and watch 'Romper-Stomper' to your hearts content


I prefer Bach and Sophocles. You don't know what European culture is or you would be aware of how it is being destroyed. Oh yes, even the true racist Maoris are concerned with the influx of commercialised, rap anti-culture. Know the difference between a civilisation and a society? A culture comes from a people, a civilisation comes from a state. I would argue with you, but regardless of race you haven't educated yourself on the issue, thus you would only be capable of misunderstanding everything I say. By the way, where is the good keen boke now? I haven't seen one in years except when looking in the mirror. Perhaps you can talk to your Samoan mates about it when you are watching "Bros" on the television.

Felix wrote:
Who's this we white man? I know I'm just a terrible loony liberal, always wanting to save whales, hug trees and destroy the dignity of 'ol Whitey', but I just don't know who you're talking about. Who forms this vast army of pissed off Pakeha who will not '...be so kindly...' to people like me. I served in the Regular Army for 11 years, and never came across any white supremacists there, and trust me, the Army is not exactly the hangout for pinko socialist PC fascists. Looks like you'll have to form your own Stormtruppen Korps (but again, you'll need more than 40 people to do it)


Your ignorance is appalling. You mentioned the NF; I believe they have a few ex-army members or though tho' your discription of them as white supremists might annoy them. As a member of the tribe "ol' whitey" whom you have stated will disappear from New Zealand, I think I have a more general understanding of them than you being one of their number and knowing our history in this country. Special privilages based on race, specifically not-being white, are not very well loved by most "whitey"ies

Felix wrote:
As for integration through the military, well it has been tried before, with varying success. Just remember that in the hard times to come, we may need to set up a large army to defend what we do have. Soldiers will be drawn from all sectors of society, and if trained properly, men stop bickering with each other based on skin colour. They start working together, because the threat of imminent death does wonders for your sense of priorities. ('No way is Tawhai going to cover me! He's a coon! I don't need his hel....aaargh'). Join the Regular Force and see this work for yourself. It'll do you wonders............

This sounds like what the NF is talking about. Exactly the same. Are you a member? But apart from this your view of this is very subjective and apparently mastabatory. How about the Maori Battalion? It might be time to start that up again you think? We can send them in against the Neiseans when the food riots break out.

Felix wrote:
OK, you got me on sloppy language. I believe NZ will retain it's current culture, but that over time, intermarriage will darken our skin colour. The end result will be a new race, largely European, with a strong Polynesian streak, looking rather Meditteranean; like Spaniards or Italians (just bigger).

For that to occur again two things must happen. A reduction in non-european immigration and for the whites not to race mix very much. Again seems you are a natural for the NF. And New Zealand is losing its culture very, very fast. A culture comes from a people remember.

Felix wrote:
And there's not much you can do about it. Actually, what do you propose to do about it? You can influence your kids to never go near a 'darkie', but who says they won't listen, after a few drinks in a club; 'Hell, he looks all right. Well dressed, charming, nice eyes........' A few months later, and you have a half-caste grandson. You can't stop love, and you sure as hell can't stop lust. Tell me how you intend to try this. Please, I really need a good laugh.

I was born a racist. It was innate. No one needed to teach me. Plus I believe in raising my own children not having them raised for me. You might hate the white race so much that you want to see it destroyed, but I love it so much I will fight to see it preserved. Love conquers hate, mate. What can one man do? You were in the army, you tell me.

Felix wrote:

What's this crap about the quality of the soil? I take it that you believe only white people are 'good soil' and therefore, only they will have the highest cultural achievements. I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. After all, I'm 'polluted soil', and therefore incapable of understanding your higher arguements.


You seem to have sensed that I said something beyond your ability to comprehend and you were right. The people a culture grew out of are the best carriers of it, if it is to retain its original form. Christianity began as a Semetic religion and the seed was transfered over to European soil and it changed, was transmuted. Look at the difference between a White Western Nation and a Semetic North African one to see the difference. Again, study or you have no right to expect a response from me. Taking pride in being ignorant is not worthy of reward.

Felix wrote:
Finally, you're right about Maori racism. You and my Mum could talk for hours no doubt, about Islanders and Asians. I'm sure you'd enjoy it. Until you realised she was Maori.


Is she Maori? I thought you were a quadroon, that would make her a mulato (well a half-caste if you prefer). She is neither Maori or European, in the same way a mule is neither a horse or a donkey. By the way, if your children and your children's children play their cards right and they could be full white. Something to think about when the benefit of being non-white disappears.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fewlix you forget about ethnic cleansing.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:08 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

But Felix since you are interested in Kiwi Culture try these on for size: The first is a Villanelle called One Tree Hill

Of deeds done, undone, who shall weigh their cost?
What heavy rays have now sought out their prey?
Mourn not your loss, but what others have lost.

Must the congealed fears of years break from frost?
What a dark light has shone this dismal day,
of deeds done, undone. Who shall weigh their cost?

Who wills to be on grief's grey tempest tossed?
Wear, eternal sea, the shore! Tears, fragile clay!
Mourn not your loss, but what others have lost.

What burden to cross? At end what impost?
How greater the price, the burden to stay,
of deeds done, undone? Who shall weigh their cost?

And who may lead that it be safely crossed?
Shed is the way 'neath the onerous sway.
Mourn not your loss, but what others have lost.

One tempest tossed and lost who will accost?
"How much must I pay?" They pause, hiss and say:
"Of deeds done, undone, who shall weigh their cost?
Mourn not your loss, but what others have lost."

Interesting? Footy Show is better right. Well your a military man and want to know what one man can do so try this:


The line weakens. At each new push they creep closer. Muscles strain to failure. Sinews singing snap. I must return, back, back to the camp. That one. He sneers. I cannot look into his eyes. I have broken but no, not that way. Guide your anger against our foe. My countrymen I return.

I can feel it, this panic. People feed on it for lack. Where is the priest? There. He does not see.

"Consecrate me!" Don't pull away.

"No, I cannot. Don't ask me."

"Consecrate me! For the men, our people, the City!" I have never before raised my voice to him, yet he must listen to my exhortation.

Don't look around. I am on my knees, look at me! At last he sees. The purple will come, he has called. This strong hand upon my head, tussles my hair as in years before. Your mouth moves father, I hear only the tears in your eyes. When did they appear? They have been strangers between us all these long years. At last the cloak is made fast. I go.

Don't look back. Carry me well this day dear steed. What, a glow is there swollen and grown in the distant camp. A voice speaks. "My son, my son come to me."

Strange shadows light and cast. Ride. I feel weightless, ethereal. Never before have you obeyed so well. The main line of battle, the power flows in tidal directions. We fly, those faces below, indistinct, mere lumpen clay of hollows.

"Look my son, drink deeply from the cup of my destruction."

Surrounded is the City, this long siege has worked its will. An army barbarous, unholy, foreign sets its sharpness against Her, peels Her skin. As if on it's own moves my arm, swings my sword. From a shoulder as cutting air an arm is severed. Drive deep. They move through streets narrow, wide before them flee the citizens now ripe for rapine, murder, death. The enemy host is in alarm. I strike at my will. No, I strike.

Fire in rapture moves from quarter to quarter. Screaming torches carry their contagion, before collapsing. A storm, ancient glories etched within Her collapse. Mother! Iridescent. They gather around me. Move closer then back. At these waves I hack. The very sky darkens. A shroud. He is gone. I salute you, valiant one of my own heart. Once more you rear your head, shaking, nostrils flared, smoky rivers of blood. I must go on.

"My lover come. My darling sweet one. I reach out to you."

That figure. Is she that light? She who calls me now whispering?

"Peer within me my love see all, know that I am."

That man hesitates. Behind. How easily I removed the leg at the knee. Why so much incense before your household god, grieving one? Fear you this day your man dies? Who are these ones who dine, and full go out to lie and in public deal in bribes? I know. The famous men of our age. Move to the side! Thrust, there between!

That look, new mother caress this babe so fragile so strong. She is wan and pale. Mother share my strength. An arrow. It's found its mark. Stopped by bone, I feel it as something that is happening, for all that am I here? Poor girl lost alone, I see another homeless, a boy if only you could each other know. They surround me as shadows. Larger they grow. Splits my flesh. Yet another I drag down. They fall upon me. What darkness they bring. How bright that light.

Where? The field. Who is this that comes?

"What are you doing here little girl?"

"Don't be so silly."

She reaches for my hand. Would you have your tender fingers stained with blood? But they now are clean. She leads and how excited she is, pointing out all the things I have so long forgotten how to see. Is this her town? So small and primitive. Dare I go further?

"Father can you carry me the rest of the way home? I'm tired"

They couldn't find his body that day but the following morning he was discovered under a mound of enemy dead. The priest presided as the body was washed, anointed and dressed before being placed on the litter. Then the victorious army set out for the City gates, a father shedding tears while others sang songs in praise of the consecrated one.

...no not really, but how about this. Some of the figure are a bit crude but approprate eh? Wink I call it The Decline and Fall

It must be regarded with the gravest horror, granted the most repugnant reception, this tale of chicanery, double-minded duplicity and deceit, which I now am forced by circumstance to relate.

In a large town not far from here not too long ago a man past out of the community of the living, perhaps that he might act an example, a chilling warning of emptiness. He was an ordinary man in many ways. In his later age he began collecting things, a hobby, recreation, a holiday of the mind. Bottle caps, newspapers, salad forks at first, then his nail clippings, locks of his thinning hair, finally his urine and faeces he collected in preserving jars which he left everywhere, on shelves, under his bed, on his night-stand, in the refrigerator.

One day while out shopping he was rudely pushed and fell. Falling he cracked his nose and lip upon the curb. Wiping the sensation away he smeared his hand and from licking his blood could not himself refrain. Memories echoed for awhile raising a mother's milk smile. But then he began to feel slightly unwell.

He took to his bed on returning home. There he lay, his only company his cat Lucky and the radio. Eventually Lucky stopped conversing with him, just sitting in the corner beginning to smell. It was not long before from out of this stink a multitude of new found friends emerged. They communicated in an insensible liquid language, but the man was happy enough to discuss with them, the news of the day, the sports scores and all that on the radio the others relayed.

Soon however these friends took their leave and the man began chewing on his fingers. 14But more came of a different kind, buzzing in angular formations moving independent. A change is as good as a rest. Not long after this new found confidants appeared. While looking up at the plastered ceiling the man observed a spider coming down on silken thread. Surely one day this ceiling will give way. The spider began to spin a web from his left ear to his shoulder. He dared not move lest he crush his busy friend.

Soon more came and bit by bit was he cocooned. Cautiously he continued to chew. Eventually stillness reigned, with only web, exoskeleton remains to attempt to befriend and still he chewed. His arm after his hand.

Finally when the neighbours could no longer stand the smell, the authorities were called in to throw open his door. And this is what they saw: all that remained of this man was a large turd in the middle of his bed exuding semen.

And they all gathered around, sat down and ate the ordure.

Go tell the mountains what terrors I have seen.
Go tell them their son has confounded his darkness.
Go mountains, announce his victory.

Almost as good as an eposide of Shortland Street, but what's the use...

Now most think they know the story of the Emperor's new clothes, but I am sorry to say the story did not turn out the way as in the fairytale books is supposed. There were unscrupulous tailors, a procession, a naive boy, but after the boy pointed out he could see the mighty one's ding-a-ling, the crowd set upon him and tore him limb from limb. His head, cleaned-up, was set high above on the imperial city gate and none considered his an unjust fate.

So a franchise was begun to sell the imperial fashion to the less fortunate classes. Soon all were dressed in the height of fashion, having traded in their old rags for the glorious new. Immense was the joy till that is Winter came. With the onset of the snows a mysterious ailment afflicted the people turning them blue and no matter how many blankets of the imperial material were layed on the afflicted they shivered themselves into the waiting grave. Some might have looked to the decaying head reared above and against sense sworn the faintest outline of a smile appeared.

A discovery was made: The imperial material did not protect against the cold! Every great thing should be allowed one deficiency. So back to the stores the people trudged and traded-in their glory for less gallant wear that bore a shocking resemblance to the same old rags they once wore. But come spring and once more they exchanged their patched wear for that without flaw and all their nakedness proudly displayed. On the gate the boy's jaw dropped off while the merchants counted their gold. That my dear friends is the true story told.
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