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Is it officially a civil war yet?
Darn tootin', it is, son.
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Naw, just a few bad apples acting up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So they are amputating heads over there and lining them up along the curb.

Can we start calling it a "civil war" now?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well... Americans were scalping American Indians, including children, and that was for democracy....

I just got done watching FoxNews, and everything there said Iraq is peaceful, and all the wmd are secured... oh, oh, oh... and Saddam will soon pay for his 9/11 attack...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I dont know i've not been there
All i see is the filtered media that the US allows through.

But I think its safe to say, America has totally destroyed iraq. School/hospitals, thousands of homes, all destroyed leaving thousand of people in temporary shelters. Not too mention how many people have been killed, or how much money has literally been blown 'liberating' this poor country. Or how the US let private companies basically steal iraq money and bodge the reconstruction effort.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

dukey wrote:
I dont know i've not been there
All i see is the filtered media that the US allows through.



I abandoned US media a few years ago. The one exception is NPR.

I now go with the BBC, CBC, and ABC (Australian).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Violent Baghdad deaths top 6,000 - The number has risen every month, to 1,400 in May. The majority are believed to be victims of sectarian killings. But observers say the real death toll could be much higher.

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Gego posted this on the "Blundering BushCo" thread:

The cost of war
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Lokutus wrote:
So they are amputating heads over there and lining them up along the curb.

Can we start calling it a "civil war" now?



Sorry to be pedantic, but you can't 'amputate' a head. Amputation implies the non-fatal removal of a body part, hence a head can only be severed, not amputated.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Chicken_Little wrote:
Sorry to be pedantic ...


Good on ya mate. It's like "friendly fire". It's killing you but it sounds much nicer ...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's always interesting reading the work of Salam Pax:

Salam Pax

Having trouble getting into a Shia district doesn’t mean that I am OK in Sunni areas. Sunni areas are even tougher. To start with they have their own set of fashion rules. There is a whole What Not To Wear spin-off for the west of Baghdad and the prize isn’t just a special wardrobe but you get to stay alive.

Let me give you a quick run down. Let’s look at men’s fashions first. Things that can get you killed include:

Shorts
A goatee beard
Jeans that are a bit tight or are too fashionably “distressed”
Colourful shirts
Hair Gel!!!
A necklace
A Shia name (anything that has anything to do with Imam Hussein or a member of his family)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Chicken_Little wrote:

Sorry to be pedantic, but you can't 'amputate' a head. Amputation implies the non-fatal removal of a body part, hence a head can only be severed, not amputated.


I'm not sure its such a clear-cut definition; I could only find some sources that implied survival after the amputation, but others had only the minimal requirement that part removed must have stuck out from the body. What is your source? Also, it could be possible to keep the torso alive without the head and satisfy your definition?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Chicken_Little wrote:

Sorry to be pedantic, but you can't 'amputate' a head. Amputation implies the non-fatal removal of a body part, hence a head can only be severed, not amputated.


I'm not sure its such a clear-cut definition; I could only find some sources that implied survival after the amputation, but others had only the minimal requirement that part removed must have stuck out from the body. What is your source? Also, it could be possible to keep the torso alive without the head and satisfy your definition?



We don't call it 'amputation' when a person's head is traumatically removed by another person resulting in their death. We call it 'beheading'.

If you know how to keep a torso alive without a head, then you're wasted on this forum.

'Amputation' only applies to arms or legs or parts of them, hence the word

'Amputee'

A person who has had one or more limbs removed by amputation.


(Dictionary.com)


The beheaded bodies could not be described as 'amputees'.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Again amputation sounds much nicer than cut off the head.

Like friendly fire incident sounds much nicer than Shot to death by an comrade ...

BTW I want to amputate this annoying monkeys head, who had hacked into PO.com Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My, it seems we've been hacked. What a bother.

Our desperation is becoming more evident by the day. The U.S. continues to make poor judgments and worsen the situation. Every mistake we make just exacerbates the oil crisis and brings peak closer. I was hoping to have more years to prepare.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Check out the work by UK journalist Robert Fisk I think he is with the Indenpendent. Basically, his direct observation is as follows, large chunk of the "sectarian violence" is manned by the state security forces not unlike in the recent civil war in Algeria. Those death squads are fueling the violence. Who benefits? If your plan is to have permanet mil. base in the region and the justification for its presence lacks public support, go figure..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

But is Iraq still safer than Washington DC?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: Iraqi Civil War hot enough for ya? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Mesuge wrote:
If your plan is to have permanet mil. base in the region and the justification for its presence lacks public support, go figure..


Ding-ding-ding.
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