Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
Spot on DesertBear. If I were an elite in this country(and evil) I would be laughing myself to sleep every night at the abject stupidity of most of the American people. Poetic justice I say. We will get what we deserve in the end. I will savor every moment. For now, it is too late to save it all. Oh well.... _________________ "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
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See, here's the rub. In the seventies, yall could talk down to and belittle these folks, and they would get hurt, curl into a ball, and feel guilty. Now, however, they get angry, and they vote.
As a Republican activist, all I can say is, please keep it up!
No, they didn't get hurt and curl up into a ball. There just where alot less of them then. You guys started massive recruitment campaigns and did it young, so they are all coming of age now. We'll do the same thing, start getting into kid's thought processes early, and in about 10 years it will be the republicans turn to have the entire country seemingly against them. Actually, could be alot sooner than that the way people are starting to see the results of their rule.
Honestly, I think the your party R is going to get blamed for alot of the situations that result from peak oil. The part of me that's about being fair honestly says that nothing george did would make a huge difference on That score, my issues with him deal in other areas. But the part of me that's a Dem, damn, your going to get cored like an apple over what's a coming. If George had tanked it the second term you might have had a chance, now, hell you'll be lucky if there still Is a republican party in 30 years. You could be the Whigs of the 2000's. ( and that's only half a joke) _________________ Azreal60
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
It will be interesting to see what W does with his life after office. I always thought Jimmy Carter was a man of God, although I never held that against him.
Carter thought God wanted him to build homes for the poor after office. Any guesses on what God has in store for W ?
I wonder if those people that now still support Bush because "he is a man of God" supported Carter for the same reason when he was sinking in the poles.
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
Carter, another guy laughing himself to sleep every night. He's like "those stupid bastards fell for Regan's 'It's morning again in America B.S.', look where we are now!"
Or maybe he's happy building houses for poor people that they will default on anyway when PO comes. Sad. _________________ "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him." -Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
dinopello wrote:
It will be interesting to see what W does with his life after office. I always thought Jimmy Carter was a man of God, although I never held that against him.
Carter thought God wanted him to build homes for the poor after office. Any guesses on what God has in store for W ?
I wonder if those people that now still support Bush because "he is a man of God" supported Carter for the same reason when he was sinking in the poles.
Although I'm not religious, I have always had great respect for Carter's beliefs. He walks his talk. IMHO, he was bad president but a good man.
As for what the Smirk will do starting in 2008, my guess is lining his pockets with board seats at Helliburton, KBR, Bechtel, and other such criminal syndicates. _________________ Kiss Hank's Ass And He Will Give You a Million Dollars
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
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As for what the Smirk will do starting in 2008, my guess is lining his pockets with board seats at Helliburton, KBR, Bechtel, and other such criminal syndicates.
Whatever board W is on, I will short that stock. He has the anti-midas touch. Seriously.
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
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Although I'm not religious, I have always had great respect for Carter's beliefs. He walks his talk. IMHO, he was bad president but a good man.
I completely agree. Reading his book America's Endangered Values recently only strengthened that feeling for me. There's really no questioning his sincerety where his religious beliefs are concerned, and if that book is anything to go by, he is not impressed with the actions, theology or attitudes of the Christian right of late. It was a fascinating read- I'd highly recommend it to anyone interested in this kind of thing.
Jimmy Carter and I disagree on various issues of religion and theology, but at least he's a man who's willing to put his time and money where his mouth is. Going home and seeing the Bush compound out on Walker's Point, I can't really George the Younger deciding to go build houses for poor people. A shame, as that would be much more productive and useful than spending his free time cutting up brush on his rich man's ranch out in Crawford.
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
DesertBear2 wrote:
This issue has been around for quite awhile...meaning those people who vote against their own economic interests in order to put folks in office who cater to their hatred and prejudices.
Your choice of words here is interesting. As I examine my own voting record I have come to the conclusion that I almost always vote against my own economic self-interest.
That's because the way I vote depends much more upon social/moral issues.
And "hatred and prejudices?" I don't base my vote upon either.
Not that I am immune and don't have any, but at least I am careful not to act upon them.
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
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It will be interesting to see what W does with his life after office. I always thought Jimmy Carter was a man of God, although I never held that against him.
Carter thought God wanted him to build homes for the poor after office. Any guesses on what God has in store for W ?
I think the next 2.5 years will be interesting, especially from a fiscal and energy perspective. For the past 25 years, successive US administrations in both major political parties have failed to make the necessary preparations for the inevitable energy transformation that will result from the peaking in global oil production. Jimmy Carter, who lost his bid for re-election in 1980, was the only president who attempted to seriously address this issue. Here's a succinct contrast between Bush and Carter:
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We are grossly wasting our energy resources … as though their supply was infinite. We must even face the prospect of changing our basic ways of living. This change will either be made on our own initiative in a planned and rational way, or forced on us with chaos and suffering by the inexorable laws of nature.
— Jimmy Carter, 1976
We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.
— President George W. Bush, 2002
I think in the long view, historians will actually be fairly kind to Jimmy Carter for his noble attempt of addressing the problem with finite amounts of petroleum and the Peak Oil phenomenon.
Anecdotally, my grandmother, who voted for GWB both times (based mainly on a religious rationale), mailed me a newspaper article last week which opined that Carter must be thinking to himself "I told you so" with regard to our unfolding energy crisis. I think she knows that Carter was right, and that Bush...well...that ongoing war in Iraq didn't lower oil prices some of the Bush sychophants claimed in the run-up to the invasion...
Although Peak Oil will affect the entire world and not just the US, Americans use (and waste) the most energy and therefore need to take the lead in using less fossil fuels. Time is not on our side, as Mother Nature will not wait for politicians or scientists to solve the problem. Nonetheless, I think G.W. Bush will ultimately get a lot of the blame for PO once it becomes apparent by 2008-2010, and people will yearn that someone like Gore had been sworn into office at this fateful time in US and world history...indeed, the 2000 election was a truly profound turning point in US history.
BTW, I should also note that Jimmy Carter is the only living former US President who declined life-long Secret Service protection. He walks freely amoung the American people without fear...folks in Gerogia can walk right up to him and have a conversation.
As for this administration after office? Well, I predict that both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will request and get the largest Secret Service detachment in US history, and that neither of those two men will really ever be able to walk freely amoung regular American people in a medium to large-sized US city given the damage that they have done to this country from a fiscal, emotional, international reputation and long-term energy prespective...not to mention all the Cindy Shehan's out there who would like to share a few candid words with Bush and Cheney...
So, I fully expect them to live somewhat in isolation, inside a self-censored bubble, rarely ever traveling outside the US - and always accompanied with a heavily armed group of security agents - that's my prediction as to your question.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
Petrodollar wrote:
As for this administration after office? Well, I predict that both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will request and get the largest Secret Service detachment in US history, and that neither of those two men will really ever be able to walk freely amoung regular American people in a medium to large-sized US city given the damage that they have done to this country from a fiscal, emotional, international reputation and long-term energy prespective. I fully expect them to live somewhat in isolation, inside a self-censored bubble, rarely ever traveling outside the US - and always accompanied with a heavily armed group of security agents - that's my prediction as to your question.
Where is GWB's faith in God and trust in Jesus guiding him if he needs all this security? A man of perfect faith wouldn't have anything to fear. This is what I would ask those red state house wives.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
For those of you who want to better understand those red state housewives or suicide bombers for that matter I couldn't reccommend a better book than The End oF Faith by Sam Harris.
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The End of Faith articulates the dangers and absurdities of organized religion so fiercely and so fearlessly that I felt relieved as I read it, vindicated, almost personally understood… Harris writes what a sizable number of us think, but few are willing to say in contemporary America… This is an important book, on a topic that, for all its inherent difficulty and divisiveness, should not be shielded from the crucible of human reason
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
If the United States turns into a fundamentalist, theocratic dictatorship then there is no one to blame but the people that constitute the population. Bush and his neocons have struck a magic formula of pandering that is very effective. They could care less about the bulk of the population except in that during this power grabbing and consolidation phase they need Americans to hand them the keys willingly, without questioning anything they do. I have bad news for everybody, they are succeeding.
The American population is stupid and the ones that aren't have been effectively marginalized as being tin-foil, propeller headed lefties. The Democrats are less than useless. There is no viable third party. Main Stream Media has been bought. The House and Senate are spineless and gutless rubber stampers and the Judiciary is too elitist.
This my friends is the end of the American empire. What comes next should be truly frightening.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
Bobbotov wrote:
If the United States turns into a fundamentalist, theocratic dictatorship then there is no one to blame but the people that constitute the population. Bush and his neocons have struck a magic formula of pandering that is very effective. They could care less about the bulk of the population except in that during this power grabbing and consolidation phase they need Americans to hand them the keys willingly, without questioning anything they do. I have bad news for everybody, they are succeeding.
The American population is stupid and the ones that aren't have been effectively marginalized as being tin-foil, propeller headed lefties. The Democrats are less than useless. There is no viable third party. Main Stream Media has been bought. The House and Senate are spineless and gutless rubber stampers and the Judiciary is too elitist.
This my friends is the end of the American empire. What comes next should be truly frightening.
Check this board out. No wonder America is so screwed. How could it not be with this many morons?
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Bush's Hard Core Supporters
The extent to which the true message of Christ has been twisted and gnarled by these self-righteous 'Christian' Bush supporters has made itself evident once again... this time in the form of a video game, carrying the banner of 'Left Behind', a series of books about the apocalypse with a downright scary cult-like following.
In the game, it's the player's job to convert or KILL any and all non-believers, be they Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, hippies, or regular old 'sinners' on the street. The goal of the game is to establish a theocracy in the US and put forth a nation of rigidly controlled, god-fearing occupants. Is it just me, or this 100x more offensive than any version of Grand Theft Auto could ever be? _________________ "If you're always looking for the invisible hand to guide you, you will find that the invisible hand often gives you the invisible finger." - some guy on CNBC
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