Joined: Apr 28, 2006 Posts: 2897 Location: East Texas
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Aaron wrote:
Can you guys stock up on hot pockets please?
I love those...
I am not putting those aweful things in my freezer. Or maybe I should.. Who knows what interesting things one might put in a hot pocket, since no one I know would ever eat such a thing...
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
I don´t think the question should be so much as how long we could survive on what we have, but how long the local population could survive on what they have...
And then, swarming like locusts...
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
heyhoser wrote:
I don´t think the question should be so much as how long we could survive on what we have, but how long the local population could survive on what they have...
And then, swarming like locusts...
Check out the big brain on heyhoser... You a smart *************... that's right. _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
rwwff wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Can you guys stock up on hot pockets please?
I love those...
I am not putting those aweful things in my freezer. Or maybe I should.. Who knows what interesting things one might put in a hot pocket, since no one I know would ever eat such a thing...
Have you tried hot pockets?
_________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 1206 Location: Western US
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Vexed wrote:
LadyRuby wrote:
Vexed wrote:
A month of food and water
and if the S REALLY H T F
three really fat cats.
We have plenty of squirrels and crows but nothing to kill them with. A rock? Is grass edible?
I was just being facetious since I don't foresee any imminent immediate emergency. I think bird flu is vastly exaggerated. And I think PO will be a long decline. What kind of emergency are you imagining?
Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 1206 Location: Western US
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Vexed wrote:
LadyRuby wrote:
Vexed wrote:
A month of food and water
and if the S REALLY H T F
three really fat cats.
We have plenty of squirrels and crows but nothing to kill them with. A rock? Is grass edible?
I was just being facetious since I don't foresee any imminent immediate emergency. I think bird flu is vastly exaggerated. And I think PO will be a long decline. What kind of emergency are you imagining?
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6555 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Mr. Aa, at times, likes to interject his particular brand of humor; i.e.;
“Stock up on my favorite snack so I and my legions may liberate them for enjoyment at my leisure."
Do not be fooled.
He has 2 cans of tuna in the pantry and an old bottle of salsa in the fridge – the wine and bologna he bought today will be gone before I finish this post and his head will unfortunately be on the keyboard attached to the machine serving this site.
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 577 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
heyhoser wrote:
I don´t think the question should be so much as how long we could survive on what we have, but how long the local population could survive on what they have...
That's right. You need enough food to last for one year after most of the people around you have died. To make it hard for them to get your food stash, you pretend it doesn't exist and that you're just as desperate as they are. And, of course, you've hidden it well, right? And poisoned some of it, in case a neighbor gets wise and demands you share?
Anyway, this topic set me off to inventory my supplies of dry rice and dry legumes.
17 June 2006.
Long grain white rice, 533 pounds.
Cranberry (Roman) beans, 112 pounds.
Great Northern Beans, 124 pounds.
Blackeye Peas, 291 pounds.
Damage since last summer. Two three-pound bags of rice were found to have weevels in them and were removed from stock. All other bags were inspected. The 33 gallon container that had contained the infested rice was cleaned before rice was replaced. No further weevels were found. Oldest remaining rice packages are four years old.
I'll be checking into my stockpile of salt and spices later. I also have several hundred pounds of wheat, but it's animal feed grade stuff that gets weevels after three or four months. I'll probably end up feeding it to my goat.
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Jenab6 wrote:
That's right. You need enough food to last for one year after most of the people around you have died. To make it hard for them to get your food stash, you pretend it doesn't exist and that you're just as desperate as they are. And, of course, you've hidden it well, right? And poisoned some of it, in case a neighbor gets wise and demands you share?
Wow. Now there´s a man who will live a lot longer than me.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12553 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
heyhoser wrote:
Jenab6 wrote:
That's right. You need enough food to last for one year after most of the people around you have died. To make it hard for them to get your food stash, you pretend it doesn't exist and that you're just as desperate as they are. And, of course, you've hidden it well, right? And poisoned some of it, in case a neighbor gets wise and demands you share?
Wow. Now there´s a man who will live a lot longer than me.
Maybe.
Some of your stash might be nutritious food that tastes really horrible, that you have learned how to eat, or many edible wild plants, which taste nasty but are nutritious. You can share these with others, while looking miserable and starved, but they will quickly leave and try to find something more edible, in my opinion. Poisoning is not necessary. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Joined: Apr 06, 2005 Posts: 1002 Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
For many people, it probably depends on the time of year and where you live. If you don't live in an area that supports winter crops and haven't laid in a good supply of staples and TSHTF, you are in trouble. On the other hand, even here in Warsaw you can buy enough staples to survive for several months. The city is surrounded by farmland. And I am talking small, 'inefficent' (from the standpoint of the EU) just make enough for us and our neighbors....
Many people walk by free food all the time, even here. I am constantly amazed by the amount of free food that falls on the ground and rots in the middle of Warsaw, because it is just too easy to go to Tesco or Geant! Might also explain how lots of homeless people are able to survive (although I don't know what they do in the winter)... _________________ Remember, with globalisation "everyone is a winner" in the "race to the bottom". - rogerhb
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. A.C. Clarke
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
Instead of accumulating food I am working on my relation to food. My food has been vegan (without: meat, fishes, milk, eggs, cheese) for a few years and my body is being prepared for fasting through fasting. After three years of experiments with fasting I am now comfortable with about 20 days of fasting every three months. I now loose much less weight when fasting and the strength remains longer. I enjoy 6 hours of swimming every week. I practice chi kung to put attention on my body to detect physical tensions, give it some attention and ultimately, letting them go.
I thus think that I could survive quite comfortably for 20 days without any intake of food, with much less vitality for another 20 days and extinguishing calmly and peacefuly for another 20 days until I pass. That's just a guess of course.
The key for progress in fasting is : releasing physical, mental and emotionnal tensions. I do not say that fasting automaticaly brings this result. I only say that it is my experience that fasting might serve as a tool towards that end of releasing tensions.
Fasting triggers a release of toxins in the blood by the cells. These toxins are simply all kinds of elements that the body is not meant to handle and come from the food, air, water, medicine . Their presence in the body may be relatively harmless but their brutal release in the blood triggers all kinds of illnesses that the body has to go through while getting rid of the toxins.
When someone is used to regular fasts, there are lower levels of toxins in the body which is why the bloodstream is saturated much slower. Maybe more importantly, one is then experienced with the early painful symptoms that come with fasting.
There is also an emotional part in our relation to food that the faster can have a direct experience of and may want to work on.
The experienced faster has less physcial, emotionnal and mental tensions in a fasting situation. These tensions are huge "energy-guzzlers".
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12553 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: Re: How long could you survive now with what you have on han
I'm sure the emotional response to starvation is very different to that of voluntary fasting.
"I'm fasting."
"I'm starving."
I don't think you can guarantee your emotional response to a situation not of your choosing. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
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