Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
Humanity will talk about reducing greenhouse gas emissions and will implement various remediation programs with much fanfare, but levels of C02, methane, etc., are still headed up, and I think nothing can stop the climb.
Carbon trading, ethanol, and other initiatives are just sandbox play. Reminds me of recycling, which removes one or two used plastic bottles from the discharge end of the conveyor-belt of trash while five or six new ones are being added at the source end. You still have a huge net gain in total trash.
China, India, coal, coal-mine fires, melting permafrost, global deforestation, burning of the remaining oil and NG, and another 2-3 billion people by 2050. No combination of Band-Aid remediation programs can make more than a tiny dent in the assault of all that on the atmosphere.
RIP our civilization, killed by one-two punch of heat pollution and PO. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
And so we are left with the only choice nature has ever given us over the last 2 million or so years...
ADAPT OR DIE.
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 1198 Location: England
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice. _________________ Technology will save us!
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6786 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
Heineken wrote:
...China, India, coal, coal-mine fires, melting permafrost, global deforestation, burning of the remaining oil and NG, and another 2-3 billion people by 2050. No combination of Band-Aid remediation programs can make more than a tiny dent in the assault of all that on the atmosphere.
RIP our civilization, killed by one-two punch of heat pollution and PO.
Exactly what Lovelock is talking about:
Lovelock: 'We are past the point of no return' _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
SoothSayer wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.
Come now do you really believe that or are you just baiting conspiracy theorists again...?
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now!
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
C02 emissions is a huge problem in Alberta. Seven out of 10 of Canada's worst industrial plants for emissions are located in Alberta, with the top one, a coal plant, just outside of Edmonton. This information was in an article in the Edmonton Journal last week (sorry, can't provide a link). Of course, the article was tucked away in a spot beside the car advertisements or something so no one would see it. And I hate to think how much worse this problem will be as the tar sands are developed more!
It's terrible for the air quality, so many people with asthma, etc. Of course, the rivers are less viable and this beautiful province as a whole will take a beating. And the effects are, of course, cumulative for Mother Earth!
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
Then why don't we just have a huge world wide party? I'm mean a real party, one keg per person. We could summon up enough resources to give every last man, woman and child a good artery clogging steak dinner, a keg of good beer and a couple good cigars. We could take it even further and bring back blood sports. How about death match football? None of this silly paying athletes millions of dollars and then saying that they are in a "slump" when they suck. How about you win then get your millions, or you lose then die. That would make for some really good games.
Of course those who refuse the hospitality shall be declared terrorists and will be shot on sight. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
Kingcoal wrote:
Then why don't we just have a huge world wide party? I'm mean a real party, one keg per person. We could summon up enough resources to give every last man, woman and child a good artery clogging steak dinner, a keg of good beer and a couple good cigars.
That's exactly what we're in the process of doing, Kingcoal. Globalization is the final massive spasm of the party. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 1198 Location: England
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
gnm wrote:
SoothSayer wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.
Come now do you really believe that or are you just baiting conspiracy theorists again...?
-G
I'm not talking about silly conspiracy theories being thrown around willy nilly by overfed teenagers stuck in their bedrooms in a resource rich 2006.
I am talking about a stinky, polluted, overpopulated, strife torn world in 20-40 years time where we have run out of oil and are burning anything we can.
At some point we may realise that a major cull would save the planet - at least to some degree ... otherwise it's all over.
If we won't make "difficult" decsions now, our children may have to make "drastic" decsions. _________________ Technology will save us!
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
A "major cull" of human population will happen anyway, Soothsayer, whether engineered by people or by nature.
"The planet" will survive us, albeit in altered form. Evolution will resume even if only a few tough forms of life survive.
I think the whole enterprise has become too large and complex for humans to exercise rational control over the trends now under way. The "destruct sequence" has been initiated and can't be stopped. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
SoothSayer wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if The Powers That Be do something drastic to reduce the population when the writing really is on the wall ... they might feel that they have no choice.
Say like a bird flu? or forced starvation? _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Nothing can stop rise of CO2 level
BTW, I didn't mean to imply Chinese are responsible for our present predicament, only that there is tremendous momentum in place that makes it clear global warming will only get worse.
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