Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: Dean Kamen's electrical generator and water purifier
Any one familiar with these newer projects of invention by Dean Kamen? (Segway). The sterling engine was mentioned once here, but the pump has not (as far as I know), been discussed. I will be moving to a coastal town in Delaware next year and i'm interested in a watermaker. These two inventions, if they work, would be something i'd like to get.
Kamen's device purifies water through a distillation and condensation process tied to a proprietary system designed by Deka. Kamen said the purifier can handle any contaminants and produce 10 gallons of water an hour on 500 watts of electricity.
The company claims the purifier can convert 75 percent of seawater and up to 95 percent of contaminated water into drinkable water, but it acknowledges that it does not yet have outside verification of the purifier's reliability.
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Dean Kamen's electrical generator and water purifier
You can get a sears water distiller for 100 dollars that distills water on 500 watts electricity, he is making 1400 dollars per weasel unit.,
We have run ours daily for years and it is reliable.
Me thinks people who try to save the world sometimes, like Moonsanta, may have alternate agendas, so I could be sure this guy is pure as the driven snow with no interest in profit, though. _________________ ___________________________
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Dean Kamen's electrical generator and water purifier
grabby wrote:
You can get a sears water distiller for 100 dollars that distills water on 500 watts electricity, he is making 1400 dollars per weasel unit.,
We have run ours daily for years and it is reliable.
Me thinks people who try to save the world sometimes, like Moonsanta, may have alternate agendas, so I could be sure this guy is pure as the driven snow with no interest in profit, though.
How well would the Kenmore unit work with seawater or contaminated water?
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Dean Kamen's electrical generator and water purifier
jsb1969 wrote:
Any one familiar with these newer projects of invention by Dean Kamen? (Segway). The sterling engine was mentioned once here, but the pump has not (as far as I know), been discussed. I will be moving to a coastal town in Delaware next year and i'm interested in a watermaker. These two inventions, if they work, would be something i'd like to get.
Kamen's device purifies water through a distillation and condensation process tied to a proprietary system designed by Deka. Kamen said the purifier can handle any contaminants and produce 10 gallons of water an hour on 500 watts of electricity.
The company claims the purifier can convert 75 percent of seawater and up to 95 percent of contaminated water into drinkable water, but it acknowledges that it does not yet have outside verification of the purifier's reliability.
Total bullshit:
1. 500W in 1 hour will theoretically (with no heat loss) evaporate approximately 0.79 kg of water.
This is MAXIMUM possible.
Heat of evaporation for water is ca. 41kJ/mole; mole of water=18g; J=W*s; 0.5kWhr=500*3600J;
To distill 10 gallons you MUST evaporate 10 gallons and then condense it back.
Sounds like energy from nowhere device.
2. Distillation does NOT purify water very well:
All steam-volatile substances (say oil, dioxines, DDT, MTBE, PCB to name few better known) will co-distill and contaminate purified product (they CAN be absorbed however, say with charcoal filtering pad).
Ionic salts and "polar substances" like sugars, proteines etc will be remooved.
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject:
jsb1969 wrote:
Any one familiar with these newer projects of invention by Dean Kamen? (Segway). The sterling engine was mentioned once here, but the pump has not (as far as I know), been discussed. I will be moving to a coastal town in Delaware next year and i'm interested in a watermaker. These two inventions, if they work, would be something i'd like to get.
Kamen's device purifies water through a distillation and condensation process tied to a proprietary system designed by Deka. Kamen said the purifier can handle any contaminants and produce 10 gallons of water an hour on 500 watts of electricity.
The company claims the purifier can convert 75 percent of seawater and up to 95 percent of contaminated water into drinkable water, but it acknowledges that it does not yet have outside verification of the purifier's reliability.
As soon as I read that the water purifier needed electricity, I quit reading. Sorry.
I've been using one of SolAqua's solar water distillers for nearly five years now. I began distilling the city utility water, but the utility water is so hard, I was constantly needing to clean the calcium carbonate (limestone) out of the basin.
So now I only distill naturally soft rainwater. There's no oil-based organics in rainwater either, (or at trace levels only, less than what leaches from plastic bottled water.)
Here's a couple interesting exceprts from SolAqua:
"The basic principles of solar water distillation are simple yet effective, as distillation replicates the way nature makes rain. The sun's energy heats water to the point of evaporation. As the water evaporates, water vapor rises, condensing on the glass surface for collection. This process removes impurities such as salts and heavy metals as well as eliminates microbiological organisms. The end result is water cleaner than the purest rainwater. The SolAqua still is a passive solar distiller that only needs sunshine to operate. There are no moving parts to wear out."
"The first "conventional" solar still plant was built in 1872 by the Swedish engineer Charles Wilson in the mining community of Las Salinas in what is now northern Chile (Region II). This still was a large basin-type still used for supplying fresh water using brackish feedwater to a nitrate mining community. The plant used wooden bays which had blackened bottoms using logwood dye and alum. The total area of the distillation plant was 4,700 square meters. On a typical summer day this plant produced 4.9 kg of distilled water per square meter of still surface, or more than 23,000 liters per day. This first stills plant was in operation for 40 years!"
" Obtain a US$135 FEDERAL TAX CREDIT for purchasing a single solar still in 2006-07. The House and Senate approved a 30% tax credit bill for the installation of a solar system on your home or place of business, and President Bush signed the bill into law on August 8th 2005. There is a maximum $2,000 for residential applications and no cap for commercial applications. Additonal state credits may apply in your state. Call your Tax Preparer for information for your particular case."
I think SolAqua is a member of the Texas Solar Energy Society.
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Dean Kamen's electrical generator and water purifier
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
jsb1969 wrote:
Any one familiar with these newer projects of invention by Dean Kamen? (Segway). The sterling engine was mentioned once here, but the pump has not (as far as I know), been discussed. I will be moving to a coastal town in Delaware next year and i'm interested in a watermaker. These two inventions, if they work, would be something i'd like to get.
Kamen's device purifies water through a distillation and condensation process tied to a proprietary system designed by Deka. Kamen said the purifier can handle any contaminants and produce 10 gallons of water an hour on 500 watts of electricity.
The company claims the purifier can convert 75 percent of seawater and up to 95 percent of contaminated water into drinkable water, but it acknowledges that it does not yet have outside verification of the purifier's reliability.
Total bullshit:
1. 500W in 1 hour will theoretically (with no heat loss) evaporate approximately 0.79 kg of water.
This is MAXIMUM possible.
Heat of evaporation for water is ca. 41kJ/mole; mole of water=18g; J=W*s; 0.5kWhr=500*3600J;
To distill 10 gallons you MUST evaporate 10 gallons and then condense it back.
Sounds like energy from nowhere device.
2. Distillation does NOT purify water very well:
All steam-volatile substances (say oil, dioxines, DDT, MTBE, PCB to name few better known) will co-distill and contaminate purified product (they CAN be absorbed however, say with charcoal filtering pad).
Ionic salts and "polar substances" like sugars, proteines etc will be remooved.
If I remember correctly it worked by burning something that provided the heat to do the distilling and as a by product they generated electricity off of it it was meant for rural areas in india or africa where they could supply firewood and get some power and clean water out of it. I read about this back when the segway was the next big thing so I could be wrong at this point. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Dean Kamen's electrical generator and water purifier
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
Distillation does NOT purify water very well:
All steam-volatile substances (say oil, dioxines, DDT, MTBE, PCB to name few better known) will co-distill and contaminate purified product (they CAN be absorbed however, say with charcoal filtering pad).
Ionic salts and "polar substances" like sugars, proteines etc will be remooved.
I always understood that distillation was the best method for purifying water. Of course, if you want really pure water you need to combine several methods. But if you have to do with only one, my understanding is distillation is the best.
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