Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
I'd appreciate it if everyone would simply take their blinders off, admit that we are going to rapidly and inefficiently burn off all the oil and as much coal as we can dig out of the ground
My feelings exactly, the dishonesty and utter bullshitting annoys me far more than the actual CO2 emitting, we're all responsible. _________________ "One minute I held the key, next the walls were closed on me, and I discovered that my castle stands upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand."
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
I just saw Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth. The similarities between the Larsen B Ice shelf collapse and what’s happening to Greenland right now were extremely chilling, no pun intended. Highly recommended if you haven’t seen it yet.
We’re in a race between runaway GW and running short of oil in time to stop GW… _________________ Good night, and good luck...
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
And you can demonstrate a way to stop GW while continuing to operarte all the coal fired generators in use today and those that will be built over the next few years?
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
JoeCoal wrote:
No, of course not. But at least I live on high ground...
If everything were to melt over the next couple years, I'd be able to see the ocean from my house. I'd have to cut down all my oak trees to protect from hurricane effects, and personally do some retrofit internal framing on the house and roof; but otherwise, I've got a beach house. The farm further inland would have to become the permanent residence though, I think.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
rwwff wrote:
JoeCoal wrote:
No, of course not. But at least I live on high ground...
If everything were to melt over the next couple years, I'd be able to see the ocean from my house. I'd have to cut down all my oak trees to protect from hurricane effects, and personally do some retrofit internal framing on the house and roof; but otherwise, I've got a beach house. The farm further inland would have to become the permanent residence though, I think.
Good for you then. An increase in property values coming your way. _________________ Kind regards, Katkinkate
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but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
It is clear that the northern hemisphere is rising in temperature, but I read little about the southern, and what I do leads me to believe it is stable or cooling. Does Gore talk about the southern hemisphere at all in his big powerpoint presentation? I know there is one ice shelf that is melting there (it started melting 8,000 years ago according to scientific evidence), but the rest of Antarctica, including the middle, is growing with ice.
"This thickening correlated very well with the snowfall modelling, showing that the increased snowfall is causing the ice sheet to grow in mass. We estimate that the ice sheet is holding an extra 45 billion tons of water each year, the equivalent of a sea level drop of 0.12mm a year."
Unfortunately, the same scientists say the Greenland ice sheet is melting at a 0.20 mm a year equivalency of sea level rise.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Greenland ice sheet melt is accelerating
There is at least one other longer term issue for antarctica to think about.. The thicker the interior becomes, the more force that is applied to drive outflows. You could get some very near term moderation in sea level rise at the expense of much more rapid rise later.
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