Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
FairMaiden wrote:
We definitely live a patriachal society. Women are still expected to take a man's name at marriage - a practise that become common when we were considered common property to be transferred in ownership from father to husband. We still get paid less for the same work. We pay more for everything - to dryclean a shirt costs double a man's shirt merely because the buttons are on an opposite side (why even differentitate otherwise?). Women have gained the right to work - but they did not gain the right to expect more help - now we have to raise the children, clean the home AND work fulltime. (wow, isn't that so progressive!?!)
The only reason women have more clothes and more shoes - is because it is expected of her. In order to keep our men "interested" and not be blamed for their straying - we have to surgically implant parts to our body, bleach, pinch, pull, laser ourselves to be considered "attractive" to men. We have to squeeze ourselves into strapless shoes that cause pain and discomfort to remain "sexy". We starve ourselves to make sure that we are desirable. What do men do? Not much. They dont' need clothes bc they don't HAVE to wear anything particular to be sexy. Yes, they must have money and prestige (in order to provide the woman security bc she can't seem to get it on her own - in most cases, that IS changing).
The reality is - that you don't find stereotypes on that sort on a website like this. If we were looking for and part of the societal norm, I doubt we would be educating ourselves like this.
Women are no longer expected to take a man's name when married, and many don't. If you are being paid less than a man for the same job and same job description, God help your employer.
It's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman. A minimum standard of appearance would be desireable though. Whenever I see a really fat behemoth of a woman with a nice looking man, I know it's an American couple. He's like "Yes dear, no dear" It's seriously twisted. She looks like his mother, and treats him like the hen-pecked dude in the old Warner bros cartoons. Remember the ones where the guy had the portable holes he'd disappear into?
Western nations are seriously warped when it comes to sexual politics and what's actually fair, and the she-mountains from South of the border lead the way.
Joined: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Hunter Valley, New South Wales, Australia
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
GRRR...SPELLING...EDITIED FOR vb TAGS, TOO
threadbear wrote:
You know, you chicks love to natter away about the female experience and what it's like to be a woman in a man's world, ad nauseum, begging men to put themselves in YOUR shoes. Why don't you try putting yourself in THEIR shoes--speaking of shoes.
Do you think, we as women have the exclusive contract with victimization. Get a f'g grip.
What a bunch of strident intellectually insecure, emotionally immature babies.
Threadbear, I salute you.
If they ever come up with successful cloning, I nominate you to be the first.
And speaking of shoes...what DOPE thinks that women look good in high heels? No man I've ever met thinks that.
Those flat-ish bottom shoes (ie: the practical ones) that have a slight heel of around the 1/2 inch (12 mm to the metricised) are good looking. Indeed, they are BETTER looking that the stupid high heels that make the woman look like she's about to topple over.
I'm told that high heels make a woman's calf muscles stronger (or is it hamstrings? I am not sure) but...there are excercises that do the same darn thing, y'know.
But say to a woman (and I've done so) don't wear high heels, they don't make you look sexy, and you'll get a long lecture about how she has to appear fashionable. I've asked girls in Australia about such, and pointed out the guys don't really notice these things (such as fashion accessories...and what the HELL is a 'bling' anyway? I still don't know) and the girls acknowledge this.
The truth comes out eventually: it's other women they are "competing" with in terms of making themselves uncomfortable. Men never notice such things as "new handbags, new hairdoes, new shoes" . That's right we don't. How often has such been complained about by women???? Are all these complaints incorrect? No, they are right, I can assure you: I'm male and *I* don't "notice" such things (now surfie chicks in wetsuits (barefoot, no less) are a different matter).
Therefore men are NOT RESPONSIBLE for this spindly footwear - because no-one buys stuff for those who are simply not interested.
So stop blaming men. _________________ .
"To Get Rich you have to:
*Get up early;
*Work Hard;
*Strike Oil"
J Paul Getty
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Joined: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Hunter Valley, New South Wales, Australia
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
Once again, Threadbear, I applaud you for your opinions.
threadbear wrote:
Women are no longer expected to take a man's name when married, and many don't. If you are being paid less than a man for the same job and same job description, God help your employer.
It's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman.
*I* certainly don't. Indeed those insects that appear on the catwalks of those "fashion" shows are - in my opinion - so ugly they should be removed from our TV screens as being offensive. They look - and WANT to look - like mannekins, store window dummies.
You'd have to BE a dummy to want to look like that.
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A minimum standard of appearance would be desireable though. Whenever I see a really fat behemoth of a woman with a nice looking man, I know it's an American couple.
Threadbear: I didn't know you knew my brother and his wife!
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He's like "Yes dear, no dear"
Gosh, you HAVE been keeping an eye on my brother!
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It's seriously twisted. She ... treats him like the hen-pecked dude in the old Warner bros cartoons.
GEEZE, you've been spying on my brother! Indeed, you describe his relationship perfectly.
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Remember the ones where the guy had the portable holes he'd disappear into?
Yeah, you got any? My bro'd sure would like one. I think that's why he's started sleeping on the floor, instead of the bed. Either that or to avoid being crushed.
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Western nations are seriously warped when it comes to sexual politics and what's actually fair, and the she-mountains from South of the border lead the way.
Hee hee, ahh, threadbear, I can see why your hubby married you. I reckon you'd be one of the funniest gals around (in the nicest sense!)
Yup, you describe my brother's relationship soooooo well. Mind you, we don't call his awful missus a "she-mountain" we're a bit more caustic in our ....nicknames: Jabba the Hutt.
Same appearance.
Same gross personal habits. (washing is bad for you, didn't you know that? My bro's wife thinks that.)
Same personality.
She's from Massachuttsetts, too. I don't care if that's mispelt, either. _________________ .
"To Get Rich you have to:
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
ubercynicmeister wrote:
And speaking of shoes...what DOPE thinks that women look good in high heels? No man I've ever met thinks that.
On my walk to work I often see women crippling themselves in high heels that have worn down too much. To much sense of image to not wear the things, and eveidently not enough money to buy replacements, so they suffer.
They'll be the first to fall by the wayside in the great refugee columns to come......
Now you can tell the smart ones, they wear trainers and carry their high heels in a bag till they get to the office. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Joined: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Hunter Valley, New South Wales, Australia
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
Hi roger...how's the weather in NZ? It's FREEZING here in Australia. (global warming?..send some of it my way, please!)
rogerhb wrote:
On my walk to work I often see women crippling themselves in high heels that have worn down too much. To much sense of image to not wear the things, and eveidently not enough money to buy replacements, so they suffer.
But why bother? We men do not even notice such things as "a new pair of shoes" or "that nice top" or "the new hair style". C'mon how often to women bemoan such lack of interest by men in such topics? So - if men don't notice - and women confirm this by saying constantly that men do not notice - then...it's ain't the MEN who are noticing, then, is it?
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Now you can tell the smart ones, they wear trainers and carry their high heels in a bag till they get to the office.
I think they should wear their 'trainers' all the darn time.
Go for comfortable shoes / boots (whatever). The good guys (who are the ones you gals want to notice you, right?) will note how PRACTICAL you are - and you'll get high marks in their book for that. _________________ .
"To Get Rich you have to:
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
ubercynicmeister wrote:
Hi roger...how's the weather in NZ? It's FREEZING here in Australia. (global warming?..send some of it my way, please!)
Cold, wet and windy, but on other days it's windy, cold and wet. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
FairMaiden wrote:
The only reason women have more clothes and more shoes - is because it is expected of her. In order to keep our men "interested" and not be blamed for their straying - we have to surgically implant parts to our body, bleach, pinch, pull, laser ourselves to be considered "attractive" to men.
The "men" attracted to what you describe are mindless plastic Ken Dolls who are not worth your time. Only mindless plastic Barbie Dolls torture themselves like this to attract them. _________________ Good night, and good luck...
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
ubercynicmeister wrote:
Go for comfortable shoes / boots (whatever). The good guys (who are the ones you gals want to notice you, right?) will note how PRACTICAL you are - and you'll get high marks in their book for that.
The sexiest woman I ever saw was wearing Soviet Era East German riding boots... And riding a white Arabian...
I ended up marrying her. Go figure...
She STILL has too many shoes... _________________ Good night, and good luck...
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
threadbear wrote:
It's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman.
I certainly am not. The more they do this, the less attractive I find them. Barbies wobbling down the street are just plain ridiculous. But I like the natural look. There are some guys who like this crap, but they're in the minority. Just show up looking halfway decent and most of us will be thrilled.
I think women's choice of clothing, make up, etc. is primarily aimed at impressing other women, just as men trying to get "buff" is primarily motivated by impressing/intimidating other men. It's all about oneupmanship.
But I guess it's easier to blame men for everything. Threadbear, you are truly a breath of fresh air in this regard.
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
Loki wrote:
But I guess it's easier to blame men for everything. Threadbear, you are truly a breath of fresh air in this regard.
really? most of the threads that keep popping up appear to blame women for everything from peak oil to cruelty and capitalism and contain very derogatory language and comments. I must have missed the 'men are the cause of peak oil' thread.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
ubercynicmeister wrote:
They look - and WANT to look - like mannekins, store window dummies.
You'd have to BE a dummy to want to look like that.
It's sad really. The majority of young girls nowadays hate their bodies. Self-harm is rampant. I feel so sorry for the children. Mostly it's the capitalists trying to sell their wares trying to make everyone feel insecure and it's hurting the young. I don't think they are dummies - who can ignore peer pressure? people say they can but in reality we are all worried about what other people think of us, it's hardwired and the money grubbing capitalist with the media take advantage of it. They deserve to live in a better society.
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
threadbear wrote:
Women are no longer expected to take a man's name when married, and many don't. If you are being paid less than a man for the same job and same job description, God help your employer.
Many don't take a man's name, but most do.
I wonder if anyone has done a study on divorce rates comparing those couples where the woman took the man's name vs. where she hyphenated it vs keeping her maiden name.
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It's too bad some women feel they have to lift, tuck, bleach, pinch, etc... to meet some standard of sexiness. Frankly, I have never met a man who was remotely attracted to this kind of woman.
The men you have met were likely trying to impress you by agreeing with your sentiments about the wastefulness and absurdity of modern beauty. The fact of the matter is that if the alteration (surgery, bleaching, tucking, what-have-you) isn't obvious most men will prefer it. Larger breasts, whiter teeth, silkier hair, absence of body hair, shapelier figure, most men prefer them.
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Western nations are seriously warped when it comes to sexual politics and what's actually fair, and the she-mountains from South of the border lead the way.
Industry led the way via the media. Cosmo, Mirabella, Marie Claire, and a dozen other magazines that carry more advertising than content, advertising that's designed to make women feel ugly and need to improve. And not just ads in women's magazines, advertising everywhere has disproportionally represented the beautiful people, and they become an impossible standard. This ad bombardment, for whatever reason, polarizes a large portion of the Western female population. One segment tries to attain the impossible standard, while the she-mountains recognize the standard as being impossible and have given up completely. _________________ "We have seen the enemy, and he is us." -- Walt Kelly
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
Ayame wrote:
ubercynicmeister wrote:
They look - and WANT to look - like mannekins, store window dummies.
You'd have to BE a dummy to want to look like that.
It's sad really. The majority of young girls nowadays hate their bodies. Self-harm is rampant. I feel so sorry for the children. Mostly it's the capitalists trying to sell their wares trying to make everyone feel insecure and it's hurting the young. I don't think they are dummies - who can ignore peer pressure? people say they can but in reality we are all worried about what other people think of us, it's hardwired and the money grubbing capitalist with the media take advantage of it. They deserve to live in a better society.
Madison avenue is the major culprit, as far as women's body image goes, but women are complicit in their own undoing. Those little girls who hate their bodies so much are likely conditioned by their mothers, more than anyone else, including their peers. Do you think their father's obsess about losing weight and spend much of their time shopping for clothes?
If mothers want their daughters to love their bodies, they have to set a good solid example.
Woman as victim, though true in the past, is past it's best before date, as a general social theme. It's now being used as a club to keep everyone in line--and on the same page.
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Re: The end of the Patriarchy
The men you have met were likely trying to impress you by agreeing with your sentiments about the wastefulness and absurdity of modern beauty. The fact of the matter is that if the alteration (surgery, bleaching, tucking, what-have-you) isn't obvious most men will prefer it. Larger breasts, whiter teeth, silkier hair, absence of body hair, shapelier figure, most men prefer them.
--Justin Frankyl
The key here is the phrase "if it isn't obvious". Larger breasts, whiter teeth, silkier hair, absence of body hair, shapelier figure describe many women under 40. Men definitely prefer women under 40 as sexual partners. And women prefer men under 40. They don't have those splindly little arms and pot bellies and bald heads.
Can we just agree that people are a little more repulsive as they age? Women who try to change that are missing out on one of the great opportunities of their lives--a sex free existence.
Again, it's boo-friggin-hoo for women. I don't get it. Do women think most men are hotly pursued by the opposite sex? Hardly-- most of them lead lives of quiet desperation, where they are rarely approached, or even smiled at, and they have a whole lifetime of it. Women get nailed with the same at menopause---and boo hoo hoo. It huuuuuurrrrrrrttttts.
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