How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
This one is easy...
From the patent:
Quote:
0006: The novelty of the present invention over preceding prior art is clear and distinct. The prior art deals with equipment and methods for the processing of water into conventional gaseous fuels, that is, fuels possessing the conventional molecular chemical composition or mixture of chemical compositions and is sometimes referred to as "Brown's Gas".
Also know in chemistry as "total crap".
Quote:
By comparison, the present invention provides equipment or a system and related processes (methodology) to produce novel fuel composed of a chemical species beyond that of molecules, that is, HHO combustible gas, which fuel is produced from water using a particular form of electrolyzer.
Know in chemistry as "total crap + even more crap".
Behold his "picture" of the HHO "molecule"...
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
entropyfails wrote:
This one is easy...
From the patent:
I can't stand the fact that USPTO patent drawings still have to be rendered by hand. Bunch of Luddites running that office who want to keep some draftsmen using Leroy lettering sets employed.
It doesn't matter how insane the idea is, they will still redraw it according to their archaic conventions.
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Klein/HHO Gas
Might be a little more believeable if one could find documentation of a careful energy balance on the process. It should be easy enough to measure the watts input and the BTU/hr out in steady-state operation. Wonder why such results are so hard to find?
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
It looks like the process to make the HHO uses more energy than it produces.
these are a couple helpful links I've found
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=56;t=002848;p=1
"While the process of breaking the H2O down into H2 and O2 will yield a very efficient combustible fuel/oxider mix, that only represents an energy transfer mechanism. The electrical energy that it takes to electrolyze the water, is always going to be more than than the energy gained by burning the H2/O2 mixture."
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
yes..but apperently it's something diffrent than H2 02...if it's not it's just another hoax. (learned eltrolysis in highschool i know you end up losing energy)
Anyway, since it ends up producing water again, and it must be subject of the first law of thermodynamics, I think we CAN conclude this is a hoax. Another dent in Foxnews' reputation.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
ChumpusRex2 wrote:
HHO is just what scammers called a mixture of H2 and O2 produced by electrolysis.
Nothing special about it.
They just want to sell their expensive electrolysers.
I came to the same conclusion...the HHO title is misleading. _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
Bas wrote:
is it a hoax...if it's real but I heard about these kind of miracle things too much to believe it straight away....
No dude, it is not a hoax.
We are going to be able to desalinate all the ocean water we would ever need from this HHO process. Water is now an unlimited free energy source.
Just think of the possibilities. We will be able to turn deserts into lush tropical forests or farms. We will be able to build mega-cities in the middle of the deserts too. We'll be able to have vast fish farms where we raise all our ocean food while protecting the oceans themselves. We will even be able to reverse the ecological damage and stabilize climate change. And on top of all of that, we will be able to spread American affluence to every human on Earth. And we'll be able to grow the human population for another 1000 years, almost without any degradation to the natural environment or poverty.
The greatest invention and discovery has happened. Nothing else in history has even come close to shaping man's destiny......
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
HHO has the power to move me and mountains . . . of luv _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: (Video) Aquygen - HHO Water Fuel Breakthrough
(Video) Aquygen - HHO Water Fuel Breakthrough
Quote:
Aquygen is basically a “novel gas made from ordinary water through our patented electrolysis process — it even works for a hybrid hydrogen-powered car.” Videos after the jump. What are your thoughts?
Wondering when someone will finally put a hydrogen-powered car on the road? We’ve done it twice. As seen on Fox news and CNN, our patent-pending Hybrid Hydrogen Oxygen System (HHOS) generates Aquygen™ gas as you drive, typically enhancing the fuel-efficiency of a traditional gasoline or diesel engine 30-50%
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Looks like it's a hoax! _________________ Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
Threads merged... _________________ "Peak oil isn't more than an interesting industry factoid and doesn't have anything to do with the hysterics speculated on ad nauseum around here!" ReserveGrowthRulz
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: HHO, what is this?
It is not a hoax according to my hoax scale.
if at least one of this is true, than it is NOT a hoax (fo shizl)
1) the claimed invention is coming from some unknown dude's garage,
2) can never be seen except in some youtube video, in which you actually see nothing.
3) A huge number of working prototypes exist which break down as soon as an independet party comes into close vicinity.
4) the invention can solve P=NP, cure AIDS and SARS, win in Iraq AND supply free energy at the same time.
5) the inventor claims being oppressed by some crazy guys from his internet forum who actually believed him and now want to see the device.
Well, in this case = this is definitely NOT a hoax. The reason it is not being used is simple - it will not be interesting anymore. What would your life be worth if this technology were used? nothing!
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but I heard about these kind of miracle things too much to believe it straight away....
ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
