For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
They gave the memorial services full coverage here in Germany on Monday(Reading off all the names of the dead half the day). Watching the news in the evening together I just bitched to my wife about how Bush and company(oil men/Military industrialist complex) were manipulating the public by using a (possibly planned) tragedy to further their own ends, and my wife being Russian and remembering all the chechen attacks in Russia killing hundreds of innocents(beslan,etc) said I should shut up as the fanatics could hit us any time and deserved what they got and the poor people who died deserved respect. I think she is basically more racist and intolerant than I am(like against muslims, Arabs,etc), maybe she as a Russian(I am American) or just personally, but it shows how I have changed from being naively uninformed in 2001 and supportive of my own govt. and the system of consumerism / patriotism into being like many Americans now, very suspicious of the motives of a small clique who rules the country(and attempts to rule the whole world by force or influence) for their own benefit through my reading in internet as opposed to MSM. My wife's reaction and that Of German TV shows also that everyone in Europe, Russians, Germans, Brits did and still do feel for the victims of 911. It is only a shame such bastards were in power at the time who basically had long since had a plan on the drawing board to take out the Middle East unilaterally on the cheap(too bad it didn't work, ha ha ha)- according to latest European opinion polls which show loathing for Bush. If this whole arrogant attitude on part of US is not due to just Bush, but rather as many suspect, more systemic of US colonial policy over the last couple of centuries(see Latin America-Pinochet, etc. or Overthrow of govt. in Iran to install Shah) then I would have to have a generally antiamerican stance but actually one must be much more cynical than that. Every leading circle in whatever country represents their own best interests generally against their own people and against other countries(Kissinger's Realpolitik). Everyone is evil. Too bad.
I guess the idea of not getting tooo wrapped up in your emotions is a good idea. As long as I indetify myself as an Ameircan or as a Christian or non-muslim and identify some enemy being the Arab terrorsts or possibly as a peacenik, see the USA as an enemy, I make a problem for myself. I am just myself and have to get on with my life. The media and industry or government or the church manipulates us to get us to rally around a cause and die or fight for it. They get to reap the benefits and we bite the dust. I like a leader like Putin who seems honest and rational successfully fighting as an underdog an uphill battle against terminal national and demographic decline, not a lying populist like Bush, who obviously only represents own interests of a certain upperclass, and does not really care what happens to his country which he steers more and more into the abyss of debt destruction and the position of being an international pariah state like Hitler in the 30s, working himself into a lion in corner situation who can only lash out. Just wait what he does as a lame duck after the elections. God help Iran and the world. _________________ "The horror, the horror"
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
I gots your treatment right here in my hand. Your a twisted and weak seed. Better your out of it. and it looks like u will be especially if your teaching your seed to be like u. Good for me and my gene pools. Hawk man thanks u. so do my children. I appreciate it. now go and side with the ones that will flay u alive and decappitate u. oh and cut your balls off as well.
semper fidelis!
I love personal attacks! Please give me more! The strength in me grows!
Your so twisted you want to kill off the poeple who will never kill u and your family. Yet support the ones that will have no problem wiping your pitiful ass off this planet. Weirdos.
hahahahahaha. I love it all!
OOOrah!
Hawkman is all powerful! _________________ "Crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women".
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
I dont really care! who cares? I dont care. I dont care.
Hey this country been sold off and whored out years ago.
I dont give a Fark about anything mainstream. I gots my little peice of heaven with my ladies and bros and family. and I couldnt care less if every farking big city in the world was nuked to the farking ground. billions dead.
There was so much potential and we pissed it away with zero discipline.
profits and material possessions are more important than anything else.
farking communism is a stinking wretch. capitalism is not far behind.
Hawkman! Hawkman! Hawkman!
fk em all and fk it all. sluts. _________________ "Crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women".
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
Errrrr... Ummmm.... HawkMan fades slowly into the background hoping to avoid more of Holmes agreeing with him... _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
Quote:
There was so much potential and we pissed it away with zero discipline.
profits and material possessions are more important than anything else.
farking communism is a stinking wretch. capitalism is not far behind.
Is this really something we don't allready know ? Humans have always exploited available resources to meet their selfish needs. Holmes, your insight isn't exactly earth-shattering.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6143 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
holmes wrote:
I gots your treatment right here in my hand. Your a twisted and weak seed. Better your out of it. and it looks like u will be especially if your teaching your seed to be like u. Good for me and my gene pools. Hawk man thanks u. so do my children. I appreciate it. now go and side with the ones that will flay u alive and decappitate u. oh and cut your balls off as well.
semper fidelis!
I love personal attacks! Please give me more! The strength in me grows!
Your so twisted you want to kill off the poeple who will never kill u and your family. Yet support the ones that will have no problem wiping your pitiful ass off this planet. Weirdos.
hahahahahaha. I love it all!
OOOrah!
Hawkman is all powerful!
Thank God you can't write, child. Your ravings are virtually unintelligible. That makes you the weaky. (Or should I say "u" ?) _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Nov 24, 2004 Posts: 75 Location: West Lafayette, IN U.S.A.
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: Allow me to overanalyze this ...
On Sept. 11, I was on Purdue campus, heading to class, and realized there were no planes in the sky. On the way to the physics building, I ran into a friend and remarked on how weird that was, only to be told that terrorists had flown into and toppled one of the two buildings.
I felt nothing.
Classes were cancelled, and I went around helping said friend organize people on campus to go give blood. I watched the whole thing on TV that night, and the only time I felt people's pain was while listening to a thousand collective throats scream as the 2nd tower came down.
I mostly felt glad that day to be one of the Have Nots that no one cares enough to bother with. To some extent I'm sure people realize, and accept the risks of, the fact that they work in a famous place, and that makes them a target, but they're just peons like me and they never asked for this to happen. These are facts - what am I supposed to feel?
I couldn't watch TV for months afterward, because there was no news on that didn't pertain to rehashing the event. (Yay bbc.co.uk!) I never trusted that our government would "get it right" and either fix the situation or punish its transgressors, but I'm appalled speechless by how terribly far they've gone. But patriotism, ... that's a problem. I have a terribly negative association with that word. Bush and friends are Patriots, there's the Patriot Act, anyone who says "stop buying foreign oil" doesn't support the troops and is NOT a patriot. I don't like patriotism - it makes people act stupid, it seems. I believe that both parties are there to give us the illusion we have a choice and a hand in government, which we don't. Thusly, every time I hear the hippies and the Boomers talking about changing something, I *want* *to* *know* *how*. Protests haven't worked since Viet-frickin-nam. Changing a law or two in a massively corrupt structure accomplishes nothing your Masters don't want/can't already get around. So *HOW* are you going to fix things? I *want* to help, but I want *Something* *That* *Works*. (And before you say it, yes, I vote, as much of a waste as it sometimes seems.)
Corporations kick me around, adults look down on us, and now you spit on me. I don't feel anything. Its oversentimentalized for someone else's gain, and I have better things to do than be milked with anyone else. To end this ramble, I don't have any patriotism. I have loyalty - to my family, my friends, my little community, and my geographical area. My efforts go to help us, here, now and later.
I value the ideas you've shown me on this site so far, Pops. What would you have me doing differently?
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
I rememeber 9-11-01 pretty clearly. I was on call in the cardiac ICU at St. Joeseph hospital in Ypsilanti, MI that day. I didn't have time to watch TV that day, didn't have one at home, and really didn't see any news coverage of it then or since. At that point I was pretty accustomed to hearing reports of a thousand people here or there killed for the benefit of American business. Honestly I can more or less understand where a Nicaraguan peasant or a Mexican campessino is coming from. The idea of someone willingly moving to NYC or wanting to work as a stockbroker, that is beyond my comprehension. So I guess my attitude was somewhere between appathetic and an uninvovled "Well, they got what they deserved."
The next day people came in to work with all these crazy stories. Gas had gone up to $5/gal overnight. Anyone who looked arab was getting beat up on the streets of Detroit. A c130 flies over the building and one of the nurses says "Ohh my god! I hope they're not going to crash into the hospital!" At that point I felt like A: Americans hadn't the slightest inkling of the death and destruction they were raining around the world everyday and B: They had no interest in understanding the world and would beat/rape/kill anyone who tried to explain it to them.
The last five years have more or less confirmed both of those conclusions. Since 9/11 it has been more and more clear to me that I have almost nothing in common with 95% of Americans and that most of them would be more than happy to lynch me if they knew that. Within a couple of months after 9/11 I bought my first gun. I fear other Americans WAY more than I fear Arab terrorists. _________________ "I was born in a deep forest
I wish I could live here all my life
I am made from stones and roots
My home, these woods and roads
All my life I loved this sound
Of the woods all around
Eagles fly where the winds blow free" -Korpiklaani
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6143 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
I can do ya one better, SPG.
I remember where I was and what I was doing when John F. Kennedy was shot.
I was an eight-year old boy standing in the hall of an apartment in Vienna, Austria, when there was a sharp knock on our door. I opened the door and our neighbor, a Polish woman, was babbling about "Kennedy, Kennedy!" My mother came to investigate and we learned of the assassination. A very silly and hyperactive boy, I feigned fainting and collapsed on the floor. I recovered as soon as I sensed that my act had had the desired effect.
Then, too, the world opened its arms to us. We responded with the Vietnam War.
How America has squandered its opportunity to lead the world to brighter days! Now we're headed squarely for a new Dark Age. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6143 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Boot in your ass…
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Since 9/11 it has been more and more clear to me that I have almost nothing in common with 95% of Americans.
I know how you feel. Every single day. That's one reason why I've removed myself to isolation on this farm, and tune out the network propaganda feeds, and surround myself with guns and dog (well, at present, one formidable dog). I want as much physical and psychological separation from die Amerikanische Leute (the American masses) as possible. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
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