How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: nothing exists at all!
And you thought peak oil, peak water, 9/11, Return to the Stone Age was awareness wake up call!
Descartes was DEAD WRONG! I think does NOT mean therefore I am!It took me a long time of denialing to finally come to accept this:
You think but you don't really think. Its ALL an illusion from head to toe, conciousness awareness perception quilia ephiphenonomeon itself being the ultimate illusion and grande mirage of all mirages!
The ultimate lie is the lie of existence itself. One question that science can never answer and religion dodges is why does the universe need to exist? Why does the universe exist instead of nothing at all? The truth there, there is no universe, there is no conciousness or perception, its all a grand scam and scheme and a lie that the totality of nonexistence is playing on us.
The life you know and love is fake, it never really existed that way outside of our made-believe world that was implanted on us; people, and animals, and nature, and air, and empty spaces between objects were put through our paces of fake existence, I have a vision and in it the entire universe and existence was like a spectacle in a theater, and all of us, everything around us, even air and emptiness, were always just puppets and various props, who, in a cruel joke the master played on us, were given a feeling of independent existence, an awareness of self, and awareness of things around us. But now the show was over, period, and everything was now being folded and put away. Everything. It was like the universe, us, and our reality was in a container, and now the spectacle inside that container was over and the container was being destroyed.
There was no air around me. There were no empty spaces between objects. There were not even individual objects, not in my room, and not anywhere in the universe, and there never were. Everything was always one, meaningless, lifeless substance. We were just fooled into a different reality for our entire misconception of existence; but in that instance the master ended his play, got tired of his joke, and now the spectacle, which was our existence and the universe, had ended, and what we thought was our reality was being folded and put away into nothingness. And I and everything else in the universe were crumpled into one, indistinguishable, homogeneous mass. I knew that all the objects, people, and feelings I encountered in my whole life, and my life itself, were just someone’s imagination or a game. They were just like a play in a theater, and now all of the props and costumes are being folded and put away.
All of that had seized to exist, even the continuity of time. There was no escape, no way out of this. I knew that all awareness, existence, and life I previously saw was never real—that is why there will never be a way back to it. And now things simply were returning to "normal," as they truly have always been, lifeless, like puppets and props on a theatrical stage, except that even empty spaces and air were all part of this make-believe world. So it's not a distortion of a thought, this is a distortion of consciousness, of very existence.
It was the entire existence that was transformed, not individual matter or objects or perceptions, it was the reality that I knew before that ended up being just a theatrical stage that was now revealed to us and was being taken down.
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Thus Aboriginal thinking suggests that the universe or God is itself dreaming into existence all of what we experience. They believe that the entire universe is a thought form that was 'dreamed into existence' from a intial state of empty void nothinglessness.
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Quantum physics now believe that the universe is nothing more than an EMPTY-ness of thought forms, that there is no such thing as 'physical matter' at all!
Further more the teachings of Nisargadatta Maharaj says that:
"Manifestation comes into existence through the basic concept 'I
am'. This 'existence' is nothing but a projection and for this the screen or the basis is the noumenon. The impersonal 'I am' is the mirror which reflects the noumenon into the phenomenal world, projecting all phenomena as images of the noumenon, appearing to
be outside of it. This objectification happens through the medium of space and time,which are conceptual mind-constructs that create the notion of objects. The impersonal consciousness then identifies itself with each physical form and the personal I-notion
arises. This I-notion, forgetting that it has no independent existence, converts its original subjectivity into an object with intentions, wants and desires, and thereby becomes vulnerable to suffering. This mistaken identity is precisely the bondage from which
liberation is sought.
Liberation or awakening, then, is nothing other than understanding profoundly...
that the seed of all manifestation is the impersonal consciousness...
that what is being sought is the unmanifested subjective aspect, and...
that, therefore, the seeker himself is the sought."
"In your original state there is no awareness of awareness. As the Absolute you are infinite, timeless. As infinity you express yourself as space. As timelessness you express yourself as time. Unless there is space and time you cannot be conscious of yourself.
When space and time are present there is consciousness. You descend into this consciousness and express yourself in manifold ways, in innumerable forms. In that total manifestation various phenomena come into being; but there is nothing separate. When the universal consciousness manifests itself as a phenomenon, the phenomenon is that
limited form which thinks that it is independent; but it is not. There is never an independent entity; there can be no separate individual. Eventually, the one who gets liberated is the consciousness."
"You are not a kindergarten student of spirituality, so you must cease to think and speak as if you are a phenomenal object. You are the animating consciousness that
provides sentience to the sentient being. But you are this consciousness only in manifestation. In truth you are that which is prior to consciousness itself. You are the
pure Awareness. You do not need to be liberated. Liberation is a preposterous idea, for were you an object as you still think you are, then as an object you could never be
liberated."
"The consciousness which is born thinks that it is the body and works through the
three gunas; but I have nothing to do with this. The whole thing is an illusion. The
happenings are just happening; they have come and they will go. Prior to this
experiential state I was perfect in every respect. With the arrival of the beingness this
imperfect state started. Beingness does everything for the continuance of that beingness,
but there is nothing at all that I would like to continue. I merely watch the body, mind,
consciousness laugh or suffer. In suffering it may cry out, all right, let it cry out. If it is
enjoying it may laugh. I know it's a temporary thing. If it wants to go, let it go. It can do
what it likes, I am not concerned. This consciousness is time-bound. Once the body is
gone, that knowledge which experienced itself as Krishna or Buddha or Christ subsides
and becomes one with the total. Whatever tangible or visible world there is, that
knowledge merges into nothingness, but the knower remains eternal. The knowledge
and the no-knowledge both merge into the Absolute."
Whatever tangible or visible world there is, that
knowledge merges into nothingness, but the knower remains eternal. The knowledge
and the no-knowledge both merge into the Absolute.
In my original non-knowing state I had no sense of being. But, all of a sudden, the beingness was felt spontaneously. Then in a flash I observed this enormous manifest world and also my body. Later, I conceived that the entire universe has manifested in the speck. First, there was no message 'I am' and there was no world. Instantly the message
'I am' and this magnificent world materialized out of nothingness! How amazing. This message 'I am' is nothing other than the advertisement of the eternal truth. To stabilize me in this eternal principle my guru initiated me by pronouncing the sacred words tat-tvam-asi, which means 'I am That'. From that moment onwards I lost all interest in worldly affairs.
This is real liberation: to know that you are nothing. All your knowledge, including yourself, is liquidated; then you are liberated. When the devotee subsides into
nothingness, the world and God also subside into nothingness. You come to the conclusion that in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil. _________________ "...the US, Great Britain, and Israel; the real Axis of Evil..." - Michael C. Ruppert
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: Re: nothing exists at all!
Well...it depends what the meaning of is is.
Seriously though. Time to give all the exostential egghead garbage a rest for a while. Spend some time in the woods. Exist in the real world. Laugh, cry, sweat, hurt. You spend any more time in your own head, and you're going to start ranting about the mystic power of the swastika. _________________ "I was born in a deep forest
I wish I could live here all my life
I am made from stones and roots
My home, these woods and roads
All my life I loved this sound
Of the woods all around
Eagles fly where the winds blow free" -Korpiklaani
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: nothing exists at all!
qwerty wrote:
The life you know and love is fake, it never really existed that way outside of our made-believe world that was implanted on us; people, and animals, and nature, and air, and empty spaces between objects were put through our paces of fake existence, I have a vision and in it the entire universe and existence was like a spectacle in a theater, and all of us, everything around us, even air and emptiness, were always just puppets and various props, who, in a cruel joke the master played on us, were given a feeling of independent existence, an awareness of self, and awareness of things around us. But now the show was over, period, and everything was now being folded and put away. Everything. It was like the universe, us, and our reality was in a container, and now the spectacle inside that container was over and the container was being destroyed.
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: nothing exists at all!
I had a nice lil post worked up and then the server dumped me when I tried to post....
2 things.
nothing does not exist - no-thing does exist.
I believe in an "outside".
here are the lyrics that I thought to add:
Never the Machine Forever - by Soundgarden
written by Kim Thayil
Inspiration: Greg Gilmore
I can’t live when it lives
It won’t live if I die
Machine has no heart to give
Heart it takes could be mine
Come on
Come down
Come out from where you hide
Follows me down the river
Shadows me through the sky
A sideways glance in the mirror
Stalemate machine in a tie
Come on
Come down
Come out from where you hide
Get up Get off
Get on with your life
Forever means all is not seen
Never means forever brings everything
I fashion will and desire
Always I and I survive
Mercurial mind the fire
Ferrivorous direction and drive
Come on
Come down
Come out from where you hide
Get up
Get off
Get on with your life
Presently, I see myself clearer
Why time I visualize
I spy device in the mirror
Checkmate watch machine die _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6276 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: nothing exists at all!
NEOPO wrote:
I had a nice lil post worked up and then the server dumped me when I tried to post....
Happens a lot around here. If you're composing a long post, it's safer to do it in Notepad, save it, then paste it into the forum reply. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: nothing exists at all!
"In metaphysics, the notion that earth and all that's on it is a mental construct is the product of people who spend their lives inside rooms. It is an indoor philosophy." -- Edward Abbey
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: Re: nothing exists at all!
Bravo lad! you got it! The theory that explains, really explains what we are is the Meme Theory, no buzzing around about dualities, moral, or false pretences, in the Memes theory you have explained in a logical, straight way, what we are, why we are the way we are, and what to expect.
The best book i have found about Memes is the: Meme Machine of Susan Blackmore (http://www.amazon.com/Meme-Machine-Susan-Blackmore/dp/019286212X)
Religions, philosophies, cults, schools of thought, etc, have always struggle to answer basic questions of awareness/self consciousness such as:
What we are?
Why we are the way we are?
Is there anything else?
It strikes me as deeply ironic that we have found the answers, as an species, just before the big going down. _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
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