Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
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Fine, then what would be the problem with my suggestion of 3 hard core conservative prosecutors, and three hard core liberal prosecutors?
Personally, I think it would be too narrow. But the idea isn't so much who is on the panel, but what information is provided to the public.
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International folks would never be trusted as independent; they are perceived to uniformly have a prejudged position of wanting to convict Bush of something, anything.
That would really set my mind racing as to why.
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Top secret plans like, "what do you need to happen in order to start building nukes again?"; or do you mean top secret as in, "If we shut down oil from Iran and Iraq, how long can we keep the US energy requirements filled?"
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
Gridlock wrote:
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Fine, then what would be the problem with my suggestion of 3 hard core conservative prosecutors, and three hard core liberal prosecutors?
Personally, I think it would be too narrow. But the idea isn't so much who is on the panel, but what information is provided to the public.
It has everything to do with who is on the panel, and the media format of the information. The quantity of information is not particularly important; I tend to think an initial report with unanimous support, followed by a later historical archive transcript would be best able to arrive at FACT. But I'd entertain other ideas. But if you want to keep 30 million people off the CT rolls you're going to need three hard core partisans from both sides of that spectrum; all signing off on the report. Add some so-called unaligned folks if you wish.
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International folks would never be trusted as independent; they are perceived to uniformly have a prejudged position of wanting to convict Bush of something, anything.
That would really set my mind racing as to why.
Racing is not necessary. Answer is simple. He told them to go *** themselves. Tends to make people a bit testy. Do it often enough and they'll want your head. And he's about to do it again.
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Top secret plans like, "what do you need to happen in order to start building nukes again?"; or do you mean top secret as in, "If we shut down oil from Iran and Iraq, how long can we keep the US energy requirements filled?"
Exactly.
But SHOULDN'T the President know the answers to those questions? _________________ abundance fleeting
men falling like hungry leaves
decay masters all
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
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It has everything to do with who is on the panel, and the media format of the information.
Absolutely, he tried to put Kissinger on the first panel. Then did with that guy Zelikow. If I’m on trial, I hope I can pick my friends too. But you won't even get a trial way things are headed!
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Racing is not necessary. Answer is simple. He told them to go *** themselves. Tends to make people a bit testy. Do it often enough and they'll want your head. And he's about to do it again.
See this is what I don’t get. Your countrymen are being killed, and about to be killed more (Iran will Fark about with Iraq) cos this guy likes bravado.
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But SHOULDN'T the President know the answers to those questions?
Course, shouldn’t the people too? Helps plan your doomer lifestyle.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
Gridlock wrote:
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Racing is not necessary. Answer is simple. He told them to go *** themselves. Tends to make people a bit testy. Do it often enough and they'll want your head. And he's about to do it again.
See this is what I don’t get. Your countrymen are being killed, and about to be killed more (Iran will Fark about with Iraq) cos this guy likes bravado.
No. We're about to do it in order to drive up oil prices and to prevent Iran from becoming a major power. The bravado is a distraction, its what will tick off the rest of the world; it'll be what they'll go on and on about, Bush the Cowboy, Bush the Moron, etc. etc. Will they follow the connection that high oil prices may be hard on the economy, but are absolutely golden to everyone that Bush is friends with? Will they notice when China doesn't do anything but complain, and then has "peacekeepers" available to be deployed in Iran? Without Iranian backup, do you think Syria is going to be terribly excited about shipping arms into Iraq or Lebanon?
Look at these questions:
Can the US obliterate Iran's modernity. Yes.
Can the US successfully occupy Iran: No.
Could China successfully occupy Iran: Yes.
Han majority in Persia anyone?
Hmmmmmmmm. That'd just about take care of China's oil needs for a while.
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But SHOULDN'T the President know the answers to those questions?
Course, shouldn’t the people too? Helps plan your doomer lifestyle.
I don't disagree to getting the answers, with proprietary information stripped out. Those companies were told they could speak in confidence; and given the intensity of resistance over disclosure, I think they were entirely frank.
Structurally, I worry that we are removing ways that people can tell officeholders what they think without then having it broadcast in the press. I think that is a bad thing. _________________ abundance fleeting
men falling like hungry leaves
decay masters all
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
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ICC. No way in h***. Even if there was nothing for any of it, they'd still convict Bush of talking funny and execute him. Lets be realistic; the world despises Bush with ravenous intensity.
Fer Fark sake, will you stfu talking about bush, repubs, dems, left right clinton blah de farking blah.
did ya ever think rwwff that alot of people couldn't give a Fark about your left, right bullshit, it's about right or wrong, the repurcussions of this 911 crap is GLOBAL, so Fark you & your narrow-minded shite
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
NEOPO wrote:
i think gridlock is rwwff's mule.
someone trace that ip please....
rwwff seems quite obsessed with steering the conversation does he not?
yes odd indeed.
I thought I was staying pretty well on topic. 9/11, CT, new investigations..
I don't do "mule" or other amateur things.
I need no gimmicks to write what I think.
Like the Avatar?
I was wondering if folks would consider it subversive if I created a new ID, like... AgentR.
Self flattery, I know. Kinda sad, but funny too.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
Just me... better nick, I think.
As to "right and wrong"; who decides if it was right, or was wrong? That is the question. That is always the question. And who chooses these decision makers?
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
i am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS. _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
NEOPO wrote:
i am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.
As you wish. Though it still leaves the question unanswered.
Perhaps it is because everyone understands that there is no possible solution to the problem of how to create an investigative body that would not be seen by some large portion of the population as an attempted cover-up.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
AgentR wrote:
NEOPO wrote:
i am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.
As you wish. Though it still leaves the question unanswered.
Perhaps it is because everyone understands that there is no possible solution to the problem of how to create an investigative body that would not be seen by some large portion of the population as an attempted cover-up.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
Carlhole wrote:
AgentR wrote:
NEOPO wrote:
i am ignoring you as of right now - you will now join PMS.
As you wish. Though it still leaves the question unanswered.
Perhaps it is because everyone understands that there is no possible solution to the problem of how to create an investigative body that would not be seen by some large portion of the population as an attempted cover-up.
Dream on.
Then why is there no answer.
Who is going to annoint these members of the High Commission for a New 911 Report.?
Who are they going to be? If you think its possible, but just don't know what it might be, (just as I don't), thats ok.
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