Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Well this is a very insightful blog, as it shows many misperceptions in the common peakoil theory. I do not agree with many of his conclusions (that we a short before flying off into space for instance), but the facts which he shows are really insightful.
I never argued with the issues I do agree with on that blog though, It would be too much peakoil in my life otherwise.
out of his 300+ articles I think I agree with 30- 40 or so, and find around 100+ articles insightful (meaning the facts they contain).
Basically what I agree with JD upon is the following: The common peak oil theory has several misconceptions which are based on facts but stretched out to fit to peak oil doom, so that they are not facts anymore. One good example is "eating fossil fuels". Whereas it is a fact that food production depends on oil, in the common peakoil theory this dependence is overestimated by orders of magnitude. We can see this if we compare food prices 1998-now and oil prices 1998-now for example - but it is of course better to read the corresponding POD article.
What I do not agree with him upon is his following idea: Our way of life is sustainable and what we do now is perfectly ok, and just continue, lets rock. Basically, the earth is an egg for the human race and an egg gets broken when a baby bird breaks out of it, so hell with the planet. (this was actually in one of the articles on POD!!!)
One interesting idea of his, which I neither agree to nor disagree with (as the data is simply lacking)- is the following: Peakoil, while an important milestone, will be a no event for a layman, and there is absolutely no reason to believe an average layman does need to learn about peakoil.
A bunch of his ideas which I do not see coming true in the timescale of two generations : Lunar Solar Power, Colonisation of Mars, Human spreading out into space. _________________ There is no knowledge that is not power.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
John Denver has always been a devil's advocate. Do a search for his posts, and you'll soon figure out that he likes provoking discussion just for the hell of it. The difference between him and your average troll is that he's more intelligent. I personally believe that JD is a moderate believer in peak oil (ie, peak oil will happen but it won't be the end of civilization), but he likes to challenge people.
sch_peakoiler wrote:
Basically, the earth is an egg for the human race and an egg gets broken when a baby bird breaks out of it, so hell with the planet. (this was actually in one of the articles on POD!!!).
Great example of JD trying to challenge preconceptions. We all know this is a terrible idea, but why is it so bad?
sch_peakoiler wrote:
One interesting idea of his, which I neither agree to nor disagree with (as the data is simply lacking)- is the following: Peakoil, while an important milestone, will be a no event for a layman, and there is absolutely no reason to believe an average layman does need to learn about peakoil.
If the average layman learns about Middle East politics, it's a safe bet that they will learn about peak oil.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
The average layman is likely to eventually find the ME on a map, may be vaguely aware of the region's significance as an oil producer, but will likely fail to understand ME politics as they are extremely complicated even to those in the region. And more importantly their knowlege or lack thereof is highly unlikely that it will enable your layman to either influence their outcome or manage their own afairs accordingly.
So is it with peak oil. The facts are so blurred by ideology that the issue has evolved to include so many umbrella causes that the real problem of post peak oil resource depletion has become subservient to those who are championing other causes, some of which are only vaguely related to peak oil.
From this muddle no real consensus is likely to emerge and because peak oil members are so divided and poorly informed about even basic economics that this site is unlikely to act as a lightening rod for those looking for a deeper understanding of the real issues in any case. Too much hubris to wade through in the first place. _________________ The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
I would say that it is an excellent blog. Concise and succint; it challenges many of the faulty notions held by the doomers. Infact, I would suggest that if you have a friend or family member consumed by peak oil doomerism, that blog should be compulsary reading.
You can also read JD's hundreds of posts on this very site, before he decided to leave. _________________ I play the cards I'm dealt, though I sometimes bluff.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
JD decided to close his pulpit because the blog was a failure. He preached to a tiny cadre of a dozen or so people and was obviously bored with his synophants and the minion who circled like vultures. Beside he was a angry vegetarian and that has got to be a sorry sorry thing. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
You can also read JD's hundreds of posts on this very site, before he decided to leave.
He declared victory ("Peak Oil is a non-event"), abandoned his blog, and found a new hobby, apparently.
He proved nothing. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
You can also read JD's hundreds of posts on this very site, before he decided to leave.
He declared victory ("Peak Oil is a non-event"), abandoned his blog, and found a new hobby, apparently.
He proved nothing.
I would not say that. He has proved, for instance, the faulty "eating fossil fuels" thing, "fertiliziers made of oil" thing, and many others. Whether doomer theories are faulty or not only time can tell. This can not be proven or unproven. But parts of doomer theories are indeed false (or are being used as such by some doomers).
JD challenged the doomer theories which preoccupy this site and thus of course his acceptance here is zero. But a critical doomer can not dismiss many things JD mentioned. _________________ There is no knowledge that is not power.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
Basically I just wanted to find out if I should take this blog into consideration, or ignore it.
Ignore it based on whether it is just ranting idiocy or because the blogger is using faulty sources/facts to present his opinions. _________________ If everyone paid off their debts, society would be left with no money.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
Stratovarius wrote:
Basically I just wanted to find out if I should take this blog into consideration, or ignore it.
Ignore it based on whether it is just ranting idiocy or because the blogger is using faulty sources/facts to present his opinions.
ignore it because the links i posted above are far more intersting/thought provoking. and make peakers FAR more angry, so there might actually be something to them... _________________ UNLESS
You're citing a lame little blog that assigns validity to the abiotic oil foolishness as "proof"? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
Stratovarius wrote:
Basically I just wanted to find out if I should take this blog into consideration, or ignore it.
Ignore it based on whether it is just ranting idiocy or because the blogger is using faulty sources/facts to present his opinions.
well I do think you should not ignore it, because otherwise on all other sites you will have a doomer flavour and will not have the big picture (cause all arguments will end with "and we'll all die").
As to faulty sources and facts - I never noticed false facts at that blog. JD always gives links, so you can follow the link and decide whether this fact is faulty or not for yourself. The exception are crazy theories like lunar solar power, but there you should be grown up enough to understand that such theories are matter of belief rather than science, on the current level. Actually lunar solar power can be treated as a non-doomer answer to doomer theories. Like if doomers can make theories like Olduvai why can not non-doomers.
The blog is now effectlively frozen (it does not add up more articles) and I would at least recommend to read articles where he takes apart some doomer theories like "eating fossil fuels", or like that there exists mining machinery which runs on electricity (doomer theory - mining machinery can not work without oil). _________________ There is no knowledge that is not power.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Peak oil debunked
sch_peakoiler wrote:
Stratovarius wrote:
Basically I just wanted to find out if I should take this blog into consideration, or ignore it.
Ignore it based on whether it is just ranting idiocy or because the blogger is using faulty sources/facts to present his opinions.
well I do think you should not ignore it, because otherwise on all other sites you will have a doomer flavour and will not have the big picture (cause all arguments will end with "and we'll all die").
As to faulty sources and facts - I never noticed false facts at that blog. JD always gives links, so you can follow the link and decide whether this fact is faulty or not for yourself. The exception are crazy theories like lunar solar power, but there you should be grown up enough to understand that such theories are matter of belief rather than science, on the current level. Actually lunar solar power can be treated as a non-doomer answer to doomer theories. Like if doomers can make theories like Olduvai why can not non-doomers.
The blog is now effectlively frozen (it does not add up more articles) and I would at least recommend to read articles where he takes apart some doomer theories like "eating fossil fuels", or like that there exists mining machinery which runs on electricity (doomer theory - mining machinery can not work without oil).
Non-doomers are more than welcome to make theories similar to Olduvai. And yes we do in fact eat fossil fuels, as our farm soil can not produce it without fertilizer inputs and diesel-powered machines. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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