Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 3542 Location: On the ball
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Building Down a New Life
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JPLHmmm... worrying. If I had a blacksmith's forge I could make my own nails but where do I get a forge these days???
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Nails are fairly easy to make. Start with steel wire, snip it to length(forming the pointed tip in the process), grab the other end in a clamp and mash the end flat. Harden as needed.
Coming up with quality steel takes the most energy in that process.
It takes an awful lot of shoveling these days to scape up the minerals we like to use. There is an ignored depletion problem here that has been covered up by petroleum energy inputs.
I am still looking for the input that will cover petroleum and will let you know when one pops into view. _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1264 Location: Off with the Fey Folk
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Building Down a New Life
MD wrote:
Nails are fairly easy to make. Start with steel wire, snip it to length(forming the pointed tip in the process), grab the other end in a clamp and mash the end flat. Harden as needed.
Coming up with quality steel takes the most energy in that process.
It takes an awful lot of shoveling these days to scape up the minerals we like to use. There is an ignored depletion problem here that has been covered up by petroleum energy inputs.
I am still looking for the input that will cover petroleum and will let you know when one pops into view.
Ah cheers for the tip. Have got plenty of fencing wire so no worries there ;o)
Our house is pretty old and whilst doing up the attic I've been pulling out a number of blacksmith nails. They are square in profile, go down to a point at one end and the hammer-end is mashed flat like a mushroom.
I have no idea how old they are but they are larger than you would use now-adays, and fewer in number. Presumably this is because:
a) It is as easy to hand-make a six inch nail as a two inch one (if of have the steel of course)
b) Cost per-nail much higher.
We have to think about these issues, there is a hell of a lot to re-learn...
Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 1464 Location: Somewhere there
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Building Down a New Life
Heineken wrote:
Preferably to mother earth.
I desagree. it is irrelevant to Earth whether I will have 20 kids or 1 or none. If Earth wouldn't be interested in me having kids I could be born/become sterile, not to have success in making kids or bringing them up to adulthood. The Earth wants you to compete to get the best stock for hers collection. The only problem is that humanity twisting her rules due to own greed, fossil fuels , and number of other reasons.
The Earth is heavily, tremendously overpopulated; but it is overpopulated with someone else's kids, never with mine. At least not for closest several thousands years. The only reason you are here is in trying to pass your DNA into the future; you can play around meantime, have some good time, write a good poem, build a pyramid , become a world leader or first man on the Mars, it is nothing comparing with complying with what you were designed for and hoped for.
I am totally support the idea of 1 kid in the family, or paying premiums for those who decide not to have kids at all, becouse it will give more space and less competition for my own offsprings, number of which will be limited by Mother Earth only.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Building Down a New Life
Well, by the time we're through with her, "Mother Earth" will be a pretty sterile place, Pretorian. So your passed-on DNA will have a dreary slog of it, assuming it ever gets passed on at all, which becomes less and less likely. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
So far my preparation has largely been financial. Also, I have family, and have experience with tending a garden, but not large scale agriculture. Am thinking it is time to start moving,
and that a good way to go about it would be to form a small not-for-profit corporation to acquire land and to provide a means by which some shareholders could buy out other shareholders who wish to sell their interests without forcing the sale of the whole property.
So far my preparation has largely been financial. Also, I have family, and have experience with tending a garden, but not large scale agriculture. Am thinking it is time to start moving,
and that a good way to go about it would be to form a small not-for-profit corporation to acquire land and to provide a means by which some shareholders could buy out other shareholders who wish to sell their interests without forcing the sale of the whole property.
G
Since the initial intent of this thread was to get "group one" off their collective spread, I think this is a great post. _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 766 Location: Dead civilization walking
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Building Down a New Life
TreebeardsUncle wrote:
. Am thinking it is time to start moving,
and that a good way to go about it would be to form a small not-for-profit corporation to acquire land and to provide a means by which some shareholders could buy out other shareholders who wish to sell their interests without forcing the sale of the whole property.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Building Down a New Life
I havn't done much to perpare either, only done finanical planning such as buying gold & gold mining stocks, but I think the way the US is going, there is going to be a large credit bouble collapse pretty soon, before the effects of PO show it's ugly head. Wouldn't suprise me at all that the US dollar starts to deflate or continue to inflate. Inflation is cause by optimisim and with the dow at record highs optimisim is very high, but a turn in sediment will finally pop that 35 year bouble, every trader is so optimisic that they have all allready taken their positions and morgaged to the hilt, there are no more optimists to sell to, that will be a great start to the next great depression, when that day finally comes be ready.
I've lost interest in watching TV, playing video games or any type of retail spending. I don't do any of that anymore, learn't alot from bible preachers that everything in this man made world is an illusion designed to distract and dumb you down, to convice you that 99% of what everyone does is normal.
I think it is wise to learn all the *useful* skills you can. _________________
Man's like a candle in a candlestick,
Made up of tallow and a little wick;
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3909 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: Re: [Opinion]Assessment planning process for material goods
Necessary supplies:
*summer and winter weight linens (sheets, blankets, etc)
*jeans (may be hard to wash, but will be tradable)
*treadle sewing machine
*thread, needles, scissors, fabric (I'm a quilter-can you tell? lol)
*plywood (to block those windows from predators, and in case of bad weather damage)
*might also want to consider blackout drapes.curtains
*nails, screws, (all sizes--did you know that if you place those little silicone packets you find in shoe boxes in with the screws/nails, they won't rust?)
*containers for food storage-(all sizes) canning jars, 'tupper ware,' those large water jugs that you can buy from grocery stores, ziploc baggies, etc
*paper plates (yes, I know--but, if water is a premium...)
*outdoor fireplace/baking oven--this is also good for canning-won't have all that steam in the house in the summer
*boxes of printer paper-for keeping records, and for schoolwork if there are children (making paper would be difficult)
*pencils, pens, etc don't forget the pencil sharpeners!
*thermal drapes to keep out heat or cold air
*liquid soaps-for personal grooming, dishes, clothing
*bleach-for clothes and disinfectant
*radios-there are lots of handcrank (that don't require external electricity or batteries)
*candles, candle holders and those 'shake and light' flashlights
*wooden matches (paper ones do asborb moisture too quickly)
*wood splitting tools--axes, awls, etc
*hammers, saws, pruning tools
*baskets with handles (unless you plan to use pillowcases!)
*build Lots of shelves now-while the wood is available!
*reference books-dictionaries, etc.. for schooling
*old style washing machine, washboards
*clothes pins, clothes lines
*gardening tools-shovels, hoes, picks, etc
*find plans for root celler, ice house, smoke house
*convert all gas burning fireplaces to wood burning; add fireplace to kitchen if possible
*convert all baywindows, patio doors to smaller versions-easier to maintain, helps with temp. control, and better to defend.
*medical supplies-antibiotic ointments, bandaids and *bandages/tape, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, epsom salts, etc
*uv protection, anti-insect sprays
*hats and sunglasses
*winter gear: hats, gloves, snow boots if applicable, etc
*skis, sleds
*if you have acreage, perhaps a small ATV?
*bicycles extra tires, etc.. I have heard that someone makes solid cores for bike tires so that you don't have to worry about punctured inner tubes
*calendars and windup clocks
*water purifying systems
*metal buckets-for all kinds of things including fire protection (sand, water)
*safe for wills, birth certiificates, deeds, and money
*binoculars, telescopes
*salt for canning, etc; solid and liquid cooking oils; spices
*lubricants for tools
*solar panels, windmill (for power and/or water recovery)
*chains and locks for securing property and out buildings
*solar powered fans
*I have no idea how mail will be handled.....
*bee keeping supplies-for honey and pollination
*solar powered 'street' lights that work on a switch (there may be times when you don't want to draw attention)
*weapons-guns, crossbows --unfortunately, they will probably be needed for protection of people and property
Give me a little time-I am sure I have left things out!
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Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3909 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: Re: [Opinion]Assessment planning process for material goods
*organic insecticides (is there such a thing?)
*canning supplies (things like pots, tongs, etc for processing)
*metal barrel(s) for burning trash?
*shutters for windows
*large bowls for food prep
*butter churn?
*check out antique/junk stores for things like hand crank meat grinders, etc
*books about edible or poisonous plants, animals, etc
*fishing supplies: poles, hooks. lines, lures
*traps: mouse/rat, edible animals, garden pests
*ropes-different sizes and lengths
*toothbrushes, combs, etc
*ace bandages, cotton balls, qtips, plaster of paris (for broken limbs)
*scales-to weigh meat, veggies, etc
*socks, underwear, shoes
*old-fashioned coffee pot (stove-top)
*small boat for fishing, to escape floods
*face masks-ie: infectious diseases, dust stoorms
*razors for shaving
*ham radio??
*butchering equip
*seedling containers
*playing cards
*a big bell (for calling people or for signaling danger)
*extra eyeglasses
*weather vane
*maps: topography, water tables, rivers, etc
*removable bars for windows
*fuses
*barometer, thermometers
*tape: double-sided, duct, electrical, transparent
*liquor (if you don't drink will be good for trading)
*snow shoes
*ladders
*nets for fruit trees
*shoe strings!
*toothpaste, baking soda
*aspirin, tylenon
*herbal medicine books
*window shutters
*rain water barrels, small water tower
*light bulbs
*hoses, sprinklers
*wagon?
*barbed wire
*brooms, mops
*coffee, tea
*knife, tool, etc., sharpeners
*empty sandbags
*solar powered lights
*winch, pulleys
*television antenna
I don't know how to do spreadsheets (on the computer), but, perhaps, someone here could incorporate the above lists into a major list?
Might want to get together with others and buy old, closed schools: they have all those rooms for living quarters, offices, a kitchen/cafeteria, auditorium for meetings, grounds can be converted for gardens (and play area for children);
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: [Opinion]Assessment planning process for material goods
Nothing wrong with putting together a list of stuff to have/buy. I think it is, or will be, critical to have the knowledge and tools to fashion my own material goods, as well as make repairs to those goods I can not produce.
Tools and skills are the foundation for producing materials goods. Also required is the material. Without a blacksmith shop or high grade fuels, most of the material goods in a low energy paradigm will be made from local renewable sources. For most of the area around me this means wood and clay. I'll let someone else do the clay, I focus on woodwork.
I've been gathering woodworking tools over the past few years, everything from an axe to take down the tree to a spokeshave to make cabriole legs. The expected loss of electricity will remove power tools as an option in the future. I project had tools to become especially popular, and a person with the skill to use them to be even more popular. While I have not as yet developed my own intentional community or stockpiled a generations supply of toilet paper, having a useful skill may provide a survival advantage, one that I can trade to join a community if the need and opportunity arise.
As for hoarding, my focus has been on those items I can not produce myself. Lids for canning jars, salt, clothing, tools, cast iron cookware, hand cranked gadgets and gizmos which give me the ability to produce goods, and developing the skills to use them effectively. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 1212 Location: western Wisconsin
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: Re: [Opinion]Assessment planning process for material goods
Ferretlover wrote:
Barrels for burning trash (I am assuming that there will be no trash pick-up)
But not much trash, after awhile, as you won't be buying all that crap that is overpackaged.
When we were totally off grid, and grew most of what we ate, our main trash was the occassional canning jar lid that was too damaged to reuse. And it would have taken decades to have enough of them to worry about.
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