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UncoveringTruths
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:03 am    Post subject: Venezuela coup Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency knew dissident military officers were planning a coup in 2002 against Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, according to purported U.S. intelligence documents posted on the Internet.

Citing the documents, Chavez lashed out at U.S. officials on Thursday, saying they knew a coup was brewing but failed to tip off Venezuela's government.

"The CIA knew that a coup was coming ... the government of George Bush knew," said Chavez, whose so-called "peaceful revolution" for the poor and close ties to Cuban leader Fidel Castro have often put him at odds with U.S. policies.


Documents show CIA knew of Venezuela coup

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:13 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Have you seen?

http://www.chavezthefilm.com/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Of COURSE the CIA and the Bushies knew about the Chavez coup! They helped PAY for the dang thing! (Go over to www.fromthewilderness.com and read up on it, OK?)

See, Chavez has this really wacky idea that the nation that HAS the oil and gas should be who CONTROLS it, not some megacorporation or some other country's **cough, the US, cough** government! Shocked

Yeah, I know, nuts, right? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:58 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In April 2002, the Bush administration quickly endorsed the military-led coup of President Chávez, an outspoken critic of Bush’s imperialistic policies. Although the coup collapsed after 2 days with Chavez being restored to power, various reports suggest the CIA and a rather embarrassed Bush administration approved, and may have been actively involved with the civilian/military coup plotters. Venezuelan's ambassador Francisco Mieres-Lopez apparently floated the idea of switching to the euro approximately one year before the failed coup attempt. Furthermore, there is some evidence that the U.S. is still active in its attempts to overthrow the democratically elected Chavez administration. On July 21, 2004, the Venezuelan government said it may suspend oil shipments to the United States in case of an eventual conflict with the U.S.”: “In case of an aggression, that option would be considered.”
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: My response to a rightwing editorial in my local paper. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I had to counter the anti leftist bias of Jon Gurwitz, a writer of rebublican bent from the good old US of A. Too bad my local paper prints such crap-I live in Canada!!!

Jonathan Gurwitz's opinion piece 'Crisis in Venezuela' published in The Record of Friday August 20, 2004, was so blatantly biased that I am compelled to offer a competing vision of what Venezuela's referendum meant for democracy and the people of Venezuela. First, how can Gurwitz's claim that an 80% voter turnout is a loss for democracy, or a somehow failed referendum? The public has spoken for Chavez in no uncertain terms, with a ratio of close to 2 to 1 in favour. This is a much greater margin than the sub-50% that George Bush or Paul Martin got when they were elected.
The author claims that the referendum was somehow fraudulent, and that Chavez manipulated the electorate 'in the worst traditions of Latin American dictatorships', despite the monitoring by Jimmy Carter and other democracy watch groups, yet offers up little evidence of wrongdoing. Gurwitz's claim that Chavez granted 200,000 foreigners citizenship to swing the vote counts is laughable; this number equals barely 2 percent of the voter turnout of over 9 million. The writer complains about Chavez's control of public media, a puzzling statement, since the state owns the public media. He condemns Chavez for harassing private media, yet says little about this group's continual vilification of the democratically elected leader. It is noteworthy that Gurwitz neglects to mention the media's role in the failed coup of 2002. This coup d'état was led by Gustavo Cisneros, the biggest media player in Venezuela, and billionaire friend of The Donald. Washington, certain sections of the army, and the elite had hand picked Cisernos as leader, until Chavez's very lucky return after two days of mass protest. Despite the illegality of the coup, little has been said against Cisernos in the U.S. press.
Gurwitz claims that Chavez is doing nothing to help Venezuela's economy, while at the same time buying loyalty with oil revenue spent on the poor. Of course Chavez is making himself popular, that is how the art of politics is performed. I see nothing wrong with offering medicare (even with the help of Cuban doctors), education, free internet access, and food subsidies. What would the author do, continue with a tradition of brutal poverty for 90% of the residents, as is the case throughout Latin America? Are we to believe instead that Chavez should give the poor their medicine IMF or World Bank style?
Nor is Venezuela heading towards dictatorship. Chavez's rule has been closely monitored for years; this referendum is a testament to the democratic process. It is clear that Chavez has the support of the vast majority of poor Venezuelans, since 90% of middle and upper class neighbourhoods voted against the popular leader. (It must be noted that Venezuela's middle and upper classes represent a small fraction of the population). According to Bloomberg Media, voter turnout was 73% and Chavez was victorious in all of Venezuela's 23 states. Carter's endorsement was the clearest proof of all that Venezuela has a legitimate ruler. It matters little that Chavez has friends such as Castro, after all, Canada does too. It seems that mainstream American writers like Gurwitz hate it when anyone marches to a different (socialist, nationalist) drummer, especially those nations within our hemisphere. The poor of Latin America have not had much to hope for until recently, perhaps with US interests so tied up in the middle east they will now have a chance.


I'd have to say that if Chavez continues irritating Bush and co his days are numbered.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Chavez just returned from a trip to Russia, to talk to Putin about--OIL!

This time, it won't be so easy for Bush & Co: Russia, China, Central Asia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the EU, Japan, even Canada (where they can)--they are all making deals, alliances, agreements as fast and furiously as they can...and they are all talking euro as the alternative oil-buying currency of the world.

Not even the American Imperalists can take on all those countries together. The pocketbook is the world's remaining WMD against the US, and they are using it! Yeah, the US could still use "tactical" (or worse!) nukes, of course. But if it's come to that, the world's SNAFU, anyway.

The last half of this decade is going to be...interesting...indeed. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:18 pm    Post subject: deals, deals, deals Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yeah you're right, a lot of backroom meetings are going on. Even here in the great white north. The Chinese govt was recently in negotiations to buy Husky Oil from the majority share holder, Victor Li, a Hong Kong born Chinese entrepreneur. I wonder who would get Husky's reserves, China or USA? I can't see a mass export off continent happening, since America would likely get pissed, and the infrastructure is entrenched to ship our resources south. Maybe the Chinese are hoping to purchase holdings here to offset their purchases elsewhere. As for the Venezuelans, Dubya might meddle further just because Chavez is a lefty. The yanks hate that, hell they even think we're kinda commie up here. Look at the facts in the south:Allende, Cuba, Grenada, Nicaraugua, and now Venezuela. Oops, forgot Guatemala and Columbia. All these 'punished' for being left. I agree with you're comments about the tide turning with a switch to the Euro, it will kill the US econ, and dollar. I think too, that a sea change is happening in central and south AM, they have simply had enough of the IMF, World Bank, and US interference. However, Bush is crazy, who knows what is next. A cornered animal is most dangerous. What is troubling is the departure of all these high level guys from Bush's inner circle-what do they know??
Interesting times indeed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In case you missed it, I will post it again:

Anybody interested in an insight of what really happened in april 2002 in Venezuela, read this summary:

Venezuela's 2002 Coup Revisited: The Evidence Two Years On

There is a good thread in the "Geopolitics" section:

Venezuela - Imapct of August, 2004 election?
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