Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
pedalling_faster wrote:
England has worked mightily with the US to spread Depleted Uranium all over Iraq.
It's not a theoretical maybe. It's a done deal, and it's a work in process.
And, of course, it affects UK and US personnel as much as any other human being. It's absolutely insane to use that demonic weaponry. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
threadbear wrote:
kokoda wrote:
Maybe not that much of a stretch ... there seems to be a certain inevitability that a terrorist nuclear attack will occur at some time.
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There seems to be a certain inevitability that the govt/media, proven liars, will describe highly unlikely events as probabilities. There is just as much chance, statistically, that Al Queda kingpins will all simultaneously slip on banana peels and kill themselves, so don't worry about it.
Would it really be that much harder than similtainiously hijacking 4 commercial airliners and using them to launch attacks against the most powerful nation on the planet?
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
Fishman wrote:
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It'll probably end in yet another totally innocent guy being shot by the police, and another community alienated. Way to go, Tony.
That was terrible, but you know, it might just prevent a couple of bombs going off in your subways. How many got killed that time? Next time? That poor alienated community, aren't they the one's that blew up your subways? You are already kissing their butts, and they STILL want you dead. How many attacks would you recommend before Blair makes those antiterrorist changes?
All you are talking about is perpetuating a cycle of violence. The reason they want us dead is because we kill innocent Muslims, occupy Muslim lands, or encourage the above.
The fact is the police already have enough powers to investigate terrorism, but the police are not the right people to be doing counter-terrorism. The fact is that the police are larely unable to prevent crime before it happens without a tip off from the public. Alienating the public is therefore counter productive.
The fact is that none of the additional powers being granted would have prevented any of the attacks so far. The typical attacker is not known to the police, works with few contacts to known terror groups, and the attack comes out of the blue. The only way for the police to effectively prevent this is to round up every Muslim and lock them up.
I know, it's a normal reaction to want to strike back at the perceived enemy, but it just doesn't work. History shows violence begets more violence. Today we can be a bit smarter than that. _________________ It's all downhill from here
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
Nuclear states are usually very protective of their nuclear technology. Even Pakistan and Iran would be very unlikely to dish out such weapons to terrorists groups because the results could be unpredictable, to put it mildly. If terrorists were to use such a device against any NATO member it is highly likely that the victim would assume that an state was ultimately behind the attack and respond accordingly. I doubt whether the governments in Islamabad or Tehran want their countries turned into glass car parks. The story also begs the question that if a jihadist group did get hold of a nuclear bomb why would they want to waste this once in a lifetime opportunity on an insignificant power like Britain. This piece looks like yet another attempt by Blairs government to frighten the populace into accepting ever more draconian security legislation.
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
airstrip1 wrote:
Even Pakistan and Iran would be very unlikely to dish out such weapons to terrorists groups because the results could be unpredictable, to put it mildly.
Nobody's saying that the leaders of any country will happily give nukes to a terrorist group. Terrorists don't normally lead with country leaders, anyway. They only have to get hold of a couple of nuclear scientists, and find out what are their weaknesses (in other words, what kind of pressure they can put on them to make them give away the nukes).
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
Doly wrote:
airstrip1 wrote:
Even Pakistan and Iran would be very unlikely to dish out such weapons to terrorists groups because the results could be unpredictable, to put it mildly.
Nobody's saying that the leaders of any country will happily give nukes to a terrorist group. Terrorists don't normally lead with country leaders, anyway. They only have to get hold of a couple of nuclear scientists, and find out what are their weaknesses (in other words, what kind of pressure they can put on them to make them give away the nukes).
I don't think it is very likely that these governments allow their scientists to take their nuclear weapons home with them. You can be pretty certain that Iran and Pakistan know that if mushroom clouds were to appear mysteriously over any Western cities that they would be the target for nuclear retaliation even if there crime was only being 'careless' about keeping an eye on their nuclear engineers. Nearly all war game scenarios run involving nuclear weapons end up in massive escalation.
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
kokoda wrote:
threadbear wrote:
kokoda wrote:
Maybe not that much of a stretch ... there seems to be a certain inevitability that a terrorist nuclear attack will occur at some time.
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There seems to be a certain inevitability that the govt/media, proven liars, will describe highly unlikely events as probabilities. There is just as much chance, statistically, that Al Queda kingpins will all simultaneously slip on banana peels and kill themselves, so don't worry about it.
Would it really be that much harder than similtainiously hijacking 4 commercial airliners and using them to launch attacks against the most powerful nation on the planet?
Precisely...and this is another great argument against the govt. promoted consiracy theory. It didn't happen that way.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
It should be made clear to the entire world, that any time a nuclear weapon is detonated, the seismic signature plus the isotopic profile in the fallout, is quite sufficient to identify exactly where the design came from and where the fissile material came from.
That being the case, any nation that is involved in proliferation has to be concerned with the consequences if terrs get hold of their designs or materials.
Now if we had a sane government, it would go for a doctirne of proportional response. For example if terrs detonated a nuc in the US or the UK or wherever, we would then call up a coalition, this time a very large one composed of highly enthusiastic allies, and go into the country that harbored or fostered the terrs who did the attack. But we would go in with overwhelming conventional force rather than nuclear retaliation. We would shred the guilty government and the remaining terrorists, and then rebuild the place. In short we would do what we should have done in Afghanistan but didn't.
I have to believe that a Gore or a Clark, or a Giuliani or a Powell, would go for something like that, rather than immediately pressing the red button.
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
gg3 wrote:
It should be made clear to the entire world, that any time a nuclear weapon is detonated, the seismic signature plus the isotopic profile in the fallout, is quite sufficient to identify exactly where the design came from and where the fissile material came from.
That being the case, any nation that is involved in proliferation has to be concerned with the consequences if terrs get hold of their designs or materials.
Now if we had a sane government, it would go for a doctirne of proportional response. For example if terrs detonated a nuc in the US or the UK or wherever, we would then call up a coalition, this time a very large one composed of highly enthusiastic allies, and go into the country that harbored or fostered the terrs who did the attack. But we would go in with overwhelming conventional force rather than nuclear retaliation. We would shred the guilty government and the remaining terrorists, and then rebuild the place. In short we would do what we should have done in Afghanistan but didn't.
I have to believe that a Gore or a Clark, or a Giuliani or a Powell, would go for something like that, rather than immediately pressing the red button.
Nah ... Don't muck around ... MAD is the way to go.
The good old Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine kept the US and USSR fingers off the buttons for three or four decades.
MAD ... or more accurately YAD (Your Assured Destruction) would make it very clear to anyone contemplating developing Nuclear weapons that their total destruction is assured if any nuclear device explodes over any western city.
Having said that I believe that the ultimate goal should be to eradicate all nuclear weapons from the planet.
I also think that all Nuclear Power facilities ... including those of western countries ... should be regularly looked at by inspectors and all nuclear waste material should be accounted for and properly disposed of.
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
bobcousins wrote:
The reason they want us dead is because we kill innocent Muslims, occupy Muslim lands, or encourage the above.
It is mostly about Israel, as Kofi Annan had the balls to say the other day.
For the most part 'we' don't occupy muslim lands, at least until 2001 and 2003 in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And for the most part 'we' haven't been killing innocent Muslims either.
The west's crime in all this has been supporting repressive regimes, that happen to be populated by muslims, and supporting Israel against said regimes.
It is these regimes, and Israel, who are responsible for much of the bloodshed.
While I don't approve of Israel's actions, what are they to do?
The majority of middle easterners don't think much differently than Ahmadinijhad on the subject of Israel.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
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Palestinians want Gaza and the West Bank to become part of a (preferably contiguous) future state. Since the Gaza withdrawal, the future of the West Bank (known to many Israelis as historical Judaea and Samaria), containing several hundred thousand Israeli settlers, is yet to be determined. Israel currently plans on expanding existing large West Bank settlement blocs, and maintains the current impasse in the peace process —negotiations toward a permanent peace treaty featuring a two-state solution— cannot be restarted until the Palestinian government dismantles what Israel describes as terrorist groups. This is further complicated by Hamas's victory in the latest Palestinian legislative elections.
Suggestions on how to resolve this impasse are most welcome! _________________ Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack on UK, officials warn
Al-qaida MI5,MI6, CIA, ISI, Saudi Royalty plotting nuclear, radiological, chemical, and biological attacks, in order to effectively keep herding the sheople, officials warn.
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