Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
pstarr wrote:
Things to ask yourself now:
Do I have friends, family, connections in a small town?
Does this town have clean water, wood, heat, services and infrastructure to serve me and mine?
Is there grain agriculture and food storage in the area?
Is this town defensible? Far from the suburban horde, the military barracks, prying eyes?
Do I have or can I develop the skills necessary to earn a living in a rural place? (think welding, forge, woodwork, metalwork, construction, autorepair, agriculture, etc.)
Can I exist where I am now until I need to be there then? What if the shtf tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade? Can I afford to own my present home and this future home and for how long? Do I have the skills, employment, or stash to sell my current home and relocate? Am I stuck here?
If I am stuck here what do I do to make this the best place it can be? How do I insure my future survival here in a different world.
Is my house defensible? Good neighbors who own their homes? Police nearby?
Is my house insulated for the winter? Do I have a south facing home for solar gain? Can I install a passive solar collector on the building? Solar electric and hot-water panels on the roof? Do I have a wood stove, sleeping bags, a garden for veggies for vitamins?
Near public transport? By a river or canal? the ocean or bay?
Can I shoot a gun and defend myself. Can I be useful in a different world. Will my wife, children, friends, and family be on my side now and in the future?
all good questions. choose wisely. _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1264 Location: Off with the Fey Folk
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
MD wrote:
I want more time
I am now officially in a race to spend as many dollars as I can as fast as I can on necessary imported goods.
I want more time
I am doing everything I can to leverage my children into what I see as high value careers post peak.
I want more time
I have lived the life of Kings, and lived it with the purest form of noblesse oblige I could humanly manage.
I want more time
I resent having it all wrested from my hands.
I want more time
Enough of the "I"
We have no more time
Hi MD
Time-scale, yep. Important issue. Geez, you're right. We have to look at when this crisis started/will-start.
Do we look at it as the excess of 'stuff' that we all enjoyed (from the mid-80-'s onwards?) - or it's absence in the 10's and 20's?
They also tell me that post Peak-Oil, there will be less cars on the roads. Hell, when I was 19, I used to do a ton-ten (110 MPH) on my Triumph Bonneville down the local bypass and now I am lucky to do 35 threading through the cars. Mhat a s**t modern life is - all of the dis-advantages of petro-powered civilisation & none of the highs any more ;o)
I have to think about this one, though. Well, these days, I have moved on. 20 years later, I now grow most of our food (because I distrust the Agro-Industrial complex not to kill me). I grow my own heating/cooking/hot-water fuel (because I care about the climate) - & I don't have a mortgage - because I don't trust the global financial system.
Occasionally I DO run out of money & then go out & write bits of computer code for people & we do whatever is necessary to keep everybody happy (uurgh).
Call me a cynical bastard but, MD, I would say, you-or-I, or every-one-else here, have about as much time as we need, to each personally realise that:
1: The world we were promised when we were young (I once believed I would walk on the Moon) is not going to happen.
2: A Sustainable life is the 'Only' life that is do-able.
3: We have the rest of Eternity to make that (pt.2) happen.
Joined: May 11, 2006 Posts: 312 Location: Near New Life Church =( U.S.
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
I want more time too, MD. I have been sitting on my ass doing a whole lot of nothing. Well, I have been telling everyone I've met about peak oil. Now, everyone thinks I'm crazy.
I really want more time. I still need to move my ass to Oregon. I don't think Colorado will do very well post peak. _________________ Stop Breeding!
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
MD wrote:
pstarr wrote:
Things to ask yourself now:
Do I have friends, family, connections in a small town?
Does this town have clean water, wood, heat, services and infrastructure to serve me and mine?
Is there grain agriculture and food storage in the area?
Is this town defensible? Far from the suburban horde, the military barracks, prying eyes?
Do I have or can I develop the skills necessary to earn a living in a rural place? (think welding, forge, woodwork, metalwork, construction, autorepair, agriculture, etc.)
Can I exist where I am now until I need to be there then? What if the shtf tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade? Can I afford to own my present home and this future home and for how long? Do I have the skills, employment, or stash to sell my current home and relocate? Am I stuck here?
If I am stuck here what do I do to make this the best place it can be? How do I insure my future survival here in a different world.
Is my house defensible? Good neighbors who own their homes? Police nearby?
Is my house insulated for the winter? Do I have a south facing home for solar gain? Can I install a passive solar collector on the building? Solar electric and hot-water panels on the roof? Do I have a wood stove, sleeping bags, a garden for veggies for vitamins?
Near public transport? By a river or canal? the ocean or bay?
Can I shoot a gun and defend myself. Can I be useful in a different world. Will my wife, children, friends, and family be on my side now and in the future?
all good questions. choose wisely.
The alarming thing for me is that those are just the beginning of the questions.
A book I recommend is "Crisis Preparedness," by Jack Spigarelli. (A more apposite title might have been "Collapse Preparedness.")
Although it covers a lot of bases, its main focus---for good reason, it turns out---is food preservation. A very thorny subject, I'm afraid.
Growing the food is hard enough, but storing it so that it remains safe and palatable is an enormous problem and a huge task few of us will ever be equipped for. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
KhanCEO wrote:
Well, I have been telling everyone I've met about peak oil. Now, everyone thinks I'm crazy.
Doesn't that suck? I told a few work buddies and friends about it earlier in the year and most of them ended up pretty much disassociating from me.
I've come to terms with PO now and am much more level headed. I suppose I have to look at it like the matrix anymore, that most people are simply not ready to be unplugged.
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1264 Location: Off with the Fey Folk
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
Heineken wrote:
Growing the food is hard enough, but storing it so that it remains safe and palatable is an enormous problem and a huge task few of us will ever be equipped for.
It's do-able - we've been experimenting this last couple of years. Discoveries so far:
1. Frozen food goes a bit mushy but stuff like corn & peas are OK.
2. Salting is a disaster & not only uses a LOT more salt than the manuals say but the result is also in-edible (unless you are in a survival situation).
3. Drying/semi-drying works great & creates loads of stored food most times of the year.
4. Best of all is to plant a year-round garden.
There you go, problem solved! If anyone doubts my words, just pay me a visit, I will be pleased to show them around (& feed them).
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
Well I prepare physical stuff like growing and supplies as it seems the right thing to do and mollifies my discomfort some, but also looking that it might be for naught as what to what happens.
I found this site yesterday. I feel quite pleased with it (spiritually based stuff you could say):
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
JPL wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Growing the food is hard enough, but storing it so that it remains safe and palatable is an enormous problem and a huge task few of us will ever be equipped for.
It's do-able - we've been experimenting this last couple of years. Discoveries so far:
1. Frozen food goes a bit mushy but stuff like corn & peas are OK.
2. Salting is a disaster & not only uses a LOT more salt than the manuals say but the result is also in-edible (unless you are in a survival situation).
3. Drying/semi-drying works great & creates loads of stored food most times of the year.
4. Best of all is to plant a year-round garden.
There you go, problem solved! If anyone doubts my words, just pay me a visit, I will be pleased to show them around (& feed them).
JPL
Point 4 seems like an admission that the other three points are of limited value. Yes, you can dehydrate some (not all) foods, but it requires lots of energy and equipment to do so reliably and safely. Not to mention a whole lotta time. Ditto, obviously, for freezing (and home canning). I dehydrate hundreds of pounds of tomatoes (creating "sun-dried" tomatoes) every year and it's a large, ongoing operation, with plenty of help from Dominion Power.
Food preservation is more difficult than gardening. And there are plenty of risks and limitations that will collide with the average person's inability to grow so much as a tomato.
I don't know about France, but in most of the US, a year-round garden is a fantasy. Even here in Virginia the actual growing season is only about five months long. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
mikeh433 wrote:
Relax guy, you have more than 7 weeks before tshtf. I've been working it out and resolved between 3 different markets to my complete satisfaction.
No need to believe or disbelieve.
The UPS guy knows something is up with me. He cannot believe all the large boxes he delivers to me, month after month after month.
Let things happen as they will. You have/had your time. Make well use of it.
Heh, some people in the past have been raided for some stuff that I get sent. It is all LEGAL, just the government thinks some of it is terrorist stuff (like books on how to fix guns).
Your "make your time" comment made me think of this.
AllYourBase wrote:
Captain: What happen?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Operator: We get signal.
Captain: What!!
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's you!!
Cats: How are you gentlemen!!
Cats: All your base are belong to us.
Cats: You are on the way to destruction.
Captain: What you say!!
Cats: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Cats: Ha ha ha...
Operator: Captain!!
Captain: Take off every 'Zig'!!
Captain: You know what you doing.
Captain: Move 'Zig'.
Captain: For great justice.
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1264 Location: Off with the Fey Folk
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
[quote="Heineken"]
JPL wrote:
Heineken wrote:
4. Best of all is to plant a year-round garden.
There you go, problem solved! If anyone doubts my words, just pay me a visit, I will be pleased to show them around (& feed them).
JPL
Point 4 seems like an admission that the other three points are of limited value. Yes, you can dehydrate some (not all) foods, but it requires lots of energy and equipment to do so reliably and safely. Not to mention a whole lotta time. Ditto, obviously, for freezing (and home canning). I dehydrate hundreds of pounds of tomatoes (creating "sun-dried" tomatoes) every year and it's a large, ongoing operation, with plenty of help from Dominion Power.
Food preservation is more difficult than gardening. And there are plenty of risks and limitations that will collide with the average person's inability to grow so much as a tomato.
I don't know about France, but in most of the US, a year-round garden is a fantasy. Even here in Virginia the actual growing season is only about five months long.
Heineken
Jeez man, growing & preserving your own food is the most simple and natural process on the planet. Your ancestors did it - else you wouldn't be here - QED.
For point of interest, I sun-dry most of my beans, onions, etc. - in late summer. Stuff like potatoes and carrots are designed by nature to be stored in soil, so I just lift them at the appropiate time and store them in sand treys or in boxes filled with hay.
Fruits and pulpy summer veg we either make into pickles & chutneys, or boil and put into sealed jars.
I will admit, I haven't tried drying tomatoes, but if I wanted to, I guess I would put them on the lower oven-shelf of my wood-powered range and let them dry out for about 24 hours.
Obviously, I have no experience of growing in Virginia but it doesn't sound to me like Siberia. If it is hotter than NW France I guess I would grow more fruit and soft veg, if colder, more hard grain and root veg.
I respect the fact that you're trying to make a point here but I can rebut it with evidence of my own eyes (and belly) ;o)
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
JPL wrote:
Jeez man, growing & preserving your own food is the most simple and natural process on the planet. Your ancestors did it - else you wouldn't be here - QED.
My thoughts exactly.
One important thing to realise is that traditional methods of preservation depend enormously on the local weather. Drying only works well in dry weather (obviously). In other places, you have to resort to salting, pickling, chutneys, smoking, etc., etc. Find out what your ancestors were doing in your area, is my advice.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
JPL wrote:
Jeez man, growing & preserving your own food is the most simple and natural process on the planet. Your ancestors did it - else you wouldn't be here - QED.
Certainly. You (and Doly) misunderstand my perspective on this. I'm all for growing and preserving food, and have my own 25-acre farm!
If you're into growing and preserving food for survival or even just half your food, it's practically a full-time job, for which you need land, labor, water and a favorable climate, equipment, and specialized knowledge. Most people are nowhere near that point, and to get to that point civilization as we know it would first have to collapse. That's all I'm really trying to say here.
Of course, to civilization as we know it, I say good riddance. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: I Want More Time
Heh, some people in the past have been raided for some stuff that I get sent. It is all LEGAL, just the government thinks some of it is terrorist stuff (like books on how to fix guns).
I'm glad I hung on to my original copy of the Anarchists Cookbook. I'll have to get it transcribed on disc someday.
Hopefully before the cats and dogs start living together... _________________ "I invoke law 7 of the laws of 8..."
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