Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
I have real issues with learning organic farming. Specifically, I am afraid of becoming a vassal of the culture. I struggle with the classical social humility of being a farmer. In some ways I feel like, if I am simply a "food producer", I will just exacerbate the essential problem of the way in which we as people, as a society, interacts with nature. By simply using the Earth to grow food, and exchanging it for money, I support the whole enterprise of society. I fear becoming trapped in a role where by helping people the wrong way I add to the problem instead of helping solve it. It occurs that some people, unfortunately, should not be fed at all. I feel like I am a part of the problem when I become the one who supplies the food calories to a population that will take the energy from those calories and just continue to destroy, destroy, destroy. Know whadda mean?
Being a farmer has such significant downsides. For one thing, the dependence of the population on the farmer's produce puts him in a vulnerable position. History is filled with the appropriation of the farm and its produce in times of war, political, or economic stress. In a modern capitalist milieu, you are never the "owner" of land, you are the owner of a piece of paper. As farmer, you are adopting the modern profile of "serf". "Slave" is not a role I aspire to, especially not in the context of providing life support for a social system set on total destruction.
If the population is dependent on the farmer, the farmer is also dependent on the population. Taxation means that even the most self-sufficient must participate in the economic system. Where is freedom? Where is wildness?
Extrapolating from current conditions into the future, I imagine the project of agriculture, on a mass scale, geared toward total production efficiency at the expense of all else, becoming a huge part of the project of society. After it becomes apparent the the main problem for human life is the feeding of its bloated population, the natural effect of the last 100 years of corporate consolidation of agribusiness and the parcelling and zoning of every last square foot of arable land, means that the overall picture will be this:
There will be vast urbanized and denatured social centers of humanity, crowded into population zones and the vast, "superefficient" GMO manicured-Earth food-producing zones. Perhaps we will, by mandate, create "Wild" zones, like the park system today. Thats it. Those three zones, mapped, squared off, owned, and accounted for, will comprise the entire surface of the Earth.
Governments and corporations will evolve more specifically as entities with a singular purpose of supporting the population's eating and health habits, above all else. The population, squeezed together and detached from nature, will simply accept this new arrangement. Past Peak Oil, surviving societies will suffer the loss of diversity in possibility. The vanishing frontier, if you will. The collapse of a Greek or Roman-inspired vision of the purpose of society, culture, and government into a simplistic arrangement where the state's main responsibility is simply the delivery of food calories, water, and medicine.
The entire planet as a concept will be collapsed further and further into the simplicity of this arrangement. Our "mission" as people and as citizens will diminish more and more. We will retreat into urbanized reality, more and more dependent, weak, and less free. Computer technology will only ultimately enslave us to this system. The diminishing returns of technology will accelerate. And through it all the device of corporate industrialism will grow in power until the laughable thoughts of today about reigning in corporations will be a joke, unthinkable. There will be a great death of idealism and malaise from a loss of identity. We won't know where it went. We will only know our appetites. We will make fundamental biological, neurological, and emotional connections between our organic feelings and the mechanisms which cure them.
Thus, today's committed social actor will become tomorrow's lost soul. The free will be criminals, all. The mob will not have the choice of growing their own food by the expansion of corporate and government power. No one will own land, just pieces of paper, like the constitution. In the end, they will be spiritually empty. Their bellies will be full all the time, yet they will feel tired and hungry. They will not be able to sleep or dream. They will plug their minds completely into the system and tinker with the digital recreations of an ideal reality that more and more resembles the simple state of nature taken for granted not so long ago.
In some ways, this is an argument for the slaughter of billions of people whose beliefs in citizenship and the stewardship of government and the unchallengability of biologic destiny naturally lead to conditions of deprivation, hardship and overshoot.
All these people, with the very best intentions, with the gentle harmless personalities... alone, they seem harmless. They are charismatic in their unconscious vulnerability. But en masse, they are destroying everything.
Someone once commented on the characteristic of Evil: banality. True evil is right in front of your face. It looks unassuming. The stupidity and naivite of Bush is a good example of how Evil pools its power in the banal. Christmas is another, believe it or not. The engine of EarthRape is never humming along so efficiently as during the holiday season.
Banality is everywhere these days. It is in minds, in conversations, thoughts. It is powered by nuclear reactors and beamed invisibly throughout time and space. We are, fairly speaking, saturated in banality. Outrage has never been the same since we all started on this social project of being ingratiating assholes to each other as perfect strangers, ever since we started the project of ignoring what is good and shrivelling into our own vanity.
We need to accept the burden of pain that comes with true understanding. We must stop making excuses for banality. We must stop ignoring it. We must start acting like we have canine teeth and a belly full of hydrochloric acid instead of giant Gummi Bears. We must start acting like people with vision and purpose.
We must short-circuit social robots and rewire our own pussified minds. We must eradicate the cultural edifice within us that dissolves freedom and liberty into solipsistic legalism of contemporary cultural values. We must overturn internal and external moral and ethical systems which work to enslave us. We must stop feeding the machine.
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
In other words, we must bend the knee to no one except ourselves....it's as simple as that. i.e.....whats in it for me and to hell with what grandad Jimmy Joe did.
Pure logical self interest is a sobering restraint on one's susceptibility to cap doffing servitude.
Will that be tea and scones ma'am? _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
Its always risky trying to predict what will happen in the future, even small events can change everything.
Im crossing my fingers for a really bad worldwide growing season followed by a mass famine. It would signifiganly reduce the greatly bloated population without destroying the infrastructure too much (mabey depending on how people react). One thing for certain is that food procution will take a bigger role, how it will play out I will not attempt to predict. I intend to keep an eye out for slave plantation and thugs going around looking for workers.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
Excellent post. Perhaps after further cogitation I'll be able to add something to it, but I'm getting old and krusty.
Edward Abbey brought this up a few times in his writings I recall. He equated 'the fall' of the human species with the development of agriculture. Think about it, there's something to it. It was a big factor in selecting greedy traits (accumulation of far more food than necessary) as well as raping the land.
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
BWya....
Only one thought comes to mind when I think about Farming and slavery....... "Kill massa, Kill massa, Kill massa Kill!!!"......
Yet arent we slaves really?
Invisible chains....
Virtual fields....
Picking data like cotton while a machine with mirrored sunglasses watches over our every keystroke......
and below all of this the world is shackled to our feet patiently waiting for the scraps and drops to fall.
Ecovillage.Ecocity.Ecocountry.Ecoworld.....
Stranger things have happened. _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
NEOPO wrote:
BWya....
Only one thought comes to mind when I think about Farming and slavery....... "Kill massa, Kill massa, Kill massa Kill!!!"......
Yet arent we slaves really?
Invisible chains....
Virtual fields....
Picking data like cotton while a machine with mirrored sunglasses watches over our every keystroke......
Yes, I think we are. And the implication is that only in criminality are you truly free. Where I live, occassionally I see cadres of Russian immigrants. They look like mafia thugs. They speak a language no one else can understand. They are foreigners in America.
The thing that strikes me is how utterly unfettered they are by the indocrinated American values. The young Russian women are H-O-T. The men travel around in gang-like packs. There are rumors of mob conduct and criminal enterprise. They certainly look it. To a criminal, America is a candy jar. Back in Moscow, if the cops didn't like you, they waited until you were asleep and then came through the door with a chainsaw. Maybe you were seen again, maybe not.
Here, you can drive interstate highways with the reasonable expectation that your cargo will not be searched. Its ridiculously easy to make money in America if you don't want to pay taxes. The ongoing gutting of federally-funded programs lowers the barriers of entry to a life of larceny, fraud, and double-dealing.
Russians, I suspect, have this mercenary attitude. That is, they do not see the government as being beneficient, they see them as overlords or competitors. The project of society today seems to be to be polite as possible, whereas my impression is that the project of society is to enslave you and rob you of your future. Russians knowing only robber-baron overlords come to America and its like Disneyland. They see the pyramid scheme. It is a matter of perception only.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
Blistered Whippet.
Please do any of you people any have ancestors or current relatives who farm? Instead of talking psychobabble, ask people who really turn the soil. They will tell you to paraphrase a popular USA Country/Western song they love to “watch their Corn pop up in rows”. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
SILENTTODD wrote:
Blistered Whippet.
Please do any of you people any have ancestors or current relatives who farm? Instead of talking psychobabble, ask people who really turn the soil. They will tell you to paraphrase a popular USA Country/Western song they love to “watch their Corn pop up in rows”.
I hate those people. I'm conflicted, for sure. I think you hit all my hot buttons in that post:
Turning the soil, Country/Western, planting corn... I have a problem with all three.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
BlisteredWhippet wrote:
SILENTTODD wrote:
Blistered Whippet.
Please do any of you people any have ancestors or current relatives who farm? Instead of talking psychobabble, ask people who really turn the soil. They will tell you to paraphrase a popular USA Country/Western song they love to “watch their Corn pop up in rows”.
I hate those people. I'm conflicted, for sure. I think you hit all my hot buttons in that post:
Turning the soil, Country/Western, planting corn... I have a problem with all three.
I'm sorry BlisteredWhippet, but those are the people who grow the food you eat every day. Maybe you should listen to a Jason Aldean albumn sometime and find out what their about. I would suggest you start with "Amarillo Sky" _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
Recently, I wrote an article for a vegan chat forum about how organic farms are utterly dependent on the byproducts of the animal factory farm industry for soil fertilization. They get their cheap crap from factory farms who are more than willing to relieve themselves of their environmental sins. Yes, as weird as this sounds, organic farming is actually helping to perpetuate factory farming.
But...there are alternatives to the current system like veganics and permaculture. The alternatives may not reach full blossum until the current system collapses. It seems to me that peak oil will put a stress on all centralized systems. What happened in Cuba may happen here.
I think it is a mistake to condemn all farmers. By the way, who is putting food in your mouth. Unfortunately, breatharianism is not an option. Maybe, try putting your energy more into creating the kind of system/infrastructure that seems appropriate to you.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
Not sure what your plan is, BlisteredWhippet....
What's your plan? What actions are you taking currently? _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
I say we start an all controlling illegal system of taxation gang and call it the federal reserve......
We will call our members "bankers" and their employees "politicians".....
Together we will convince the populous that paying us is the right thing to do and to not pay a crime.
Ok breaking from my MALCOM XMAS mode for a second.
I too have pondered the eventuality and inevitability of BWya's line of thought here.
I cannot deny that I am very VERY concerned with what may occur if the worst of the possible peak oil ramifications come to pass.
Okay minus nuclear war/M.A.D we have many other major threats to our continued existence.
A loner out on a stead is similar to rolling the dice in vegas.
An ecovillage unaware of the reality of Peak Oil and poorly situated strategically does not give much better odds IMHO.
I have heard some other "strategies" and honestly believe that the best plans being drawn up are not then posted on an internet forum.
Isaac Isamov's Foundation series - a reference book it now seems.
Paging Prof. Seldon - white courtesy phone please - Paging Prof. Seldon.
Hari Seldon _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on being a slave: Farming
NEOPO wrote:
I say we start an all controlling illegal system of taxation gang and call it the federal reserve......
We will call our members "bankers" and their employees "politicians".....
Together we will convince the populous that paying us is the right thing to do and to not pay a crime.
Ok breaking from my MALCOM XMAS mode for a second.
I too have pondered the eventuality and inevitability of BWya's line of thought here.
I cannot deny that I am very VERY concerned with what may occur if the worst of the possible peak oil ramifications come to pass.
Okay minus nuclear war/M.A.D we have many other major threats to our continued existence.
A loner out on a stead is similar to rolling the dice in vegas.
An ecovillage unaware of the reality of Peak Oil and poorly situated strategically does not give much better odds IMHO.
I have heard some other "strategies" and honestly believe that the best plans being drawn up are not then posted on an internet forum.
Isaac Isamov's Foundation series - a reference book it now seems.
Paging Prof. Seldon - white courtesy phone please - Paging Prof. Seldon.
Even Hari Seldon got it wrong sometimes, remember the “the Mule”, of “Foundation and Empire” the second book of the trilogy. I think the analogy is good, just like in the “Foundation” books by Azimov; there are things that are going to happen unforeseen by anybody now cognizant of Peak Oil. People who right now know nothing about Peak Oil are going to be major players in the future for better or worse. Hari realized this, which was the basis of the third book “The Second Foundation”. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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