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EnergyUnlimited
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 Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| Loki wrote: | Yet another reason to dislike this jerk. Let's see here: weak on the environment, anti-Second Amendment, Israel firster, pro-police state (he voted to reauthorize the PATRIOT act), pro-illegal immigration, pro-"affirmative action" (i.e., punish whitey for the sins of their fathers). Yep, typical Democrat. I can see why they are gushing all over this guy.
Obama on the issues |
May be we are dealing with Osama here? |
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TommyJefferson
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| mattduke wrote: | | ..expands tax incentives, creates planning assistance,... |
Isn't National Socialism wonderful?
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NEOPO
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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I lost my politics 
I lost it sometime before the election but voted anyways.....
No one told me it would feel like this.
I always expected it to be cool and groovy but instead it hurt so much I just wanted it to be over with.
The politician seemed to enjoy it.
I took a test and it turned out positive.
I think I will name it "Anarchy" or maybe "Stew".
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Starvid
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| gego wrote: | | Problem is EROEI is low, maybe 2:1. |
EROEI is not important.
LEROLEI is, and so is plain old ROI.
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grabby
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| gego wrote: | | Problem is EROEI is low, maybe 2:1. |
That really is not a problem with coal.
EROI doesn't mean anything to us when we have so much coal!
Why, we can just burn many times more than we really use!
No problem.
We would just have to run three times as many plants, trains and hire 3 times as many people! Great for the economy!
but we have plenty of coal so , no problem.
After burning so much coal, and having soot dropping off our rafters, we could all look like Obama!
Oh, and we could make a good income on "I love New York" gas masks with the little heart on them.
Please send donations to Venusian carbon dioxide conversion
Think tank.
"Transforming your planet to a pretty white bicarbonate ball"
"Buffer those oceans!"
P.S. Acid rain would really helpn our auto industry. They are using more and more aluminum in autos, and this will totally dissolve the cars in just a few months!
Cars would have to be repurchased yearly!
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grabby
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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thethief
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| It's not the first time Obama has emulated the Nazis. |
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oilfreeandhappy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| mattduke wrote: | "It is a comprehensive bill that expands tax incentives, creates planning assistance, and develops Department of Defense support for the domestic CTL industry. "
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Bottom line - more subsidies for fossil fuels.
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Kez
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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This is a brilliant political move for Obama.
- The typical American has no idea how much coal is left, or about exponential consumption rates, etc. He will say 'we have enough coal for 300 years' and people will fall for it.
- Environmentalists are on his side no matter who the republicans pick, so the CO2 issue will be ignored.
- People who hate big oil will fall for it
- People who hate importing from middle east countries will fall for it
- People who want more American "jobs" will fall for it
- People in heavy coal states will fall for it
- People tired of high gas prices will fall for it
That is a ton of people falling for a bad idea that could get him elected President. |
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pea-jay
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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((Sigh)) Too bad...
The only major politician that ever has come across halfway coherent and consistent on a pressing global issue was Al Gore. Politically popular or not he was out there talking about it.
So where is the Al Gore of Peak Oil/Energy? Since Obama is unable or unwilling to carry the torch, any nomination for up-and-comers??
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Loki
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| Kez, you make some excellent points. It all makes complete sense. And it just confirms my utter loathing of the subhuman scum that infest DC. |
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gego
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| pea-jay wrote: |
So where is the Al Gore of Peak Oil/Energy? Since Obama is unable or unwilling to carry the torch, any nomination for up-and-comers?? |
Carry the torch. How much CO2 will that add to the atmosphere?
You guys that think politicians are going to solve this problem do not understand the problem or the nature of democratic politics. The problem does not have a solution and politicians are mainly interested in staying in power, and not for the benefit of the average man.
This legislation was not intended to solve an energy problem; it came from two Senators whose states produce coal; it is pork. |
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gego
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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Made me laugh; good, very good. |
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max_power29
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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| thethief wrote: | | It's not the first time Obama has emulated the Nazis. |
You beat me to it!
The U.S. and the third reich are so similar now, Its scary.
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max_power29
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: Re: The Obama Coal to Liquids Act |
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I really hope they dont discover any coal in oregon. We already have enough problems with clearcutting. We don't need the actual mountains as well as the trees removed.
This is disgusting and I can't believe people can actually do this and think its ok or even worth it.
What is mountain top removal mining?:
http://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/facts/steps.php |
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