Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject: Earth at Night: The Natural Gas Burn-off
In the November issue of National Geographic, there is a fold-out map of the earth at night taken from space.
http://peakoil.com/fortopic2981.html
This photo shows the population centers and the bright glow of electric lights. But the map in the magazine also shows the forest fires, night fishing, and one other very telling detail--the flaring off of natural gas around the world. The highest concentrations are in Nigeria, Iran and Russia. Nigeria alone accounts for 20 % of the world's flares. Northern Russia is ablaze as well as the North Sea. This map is a must see! More than 100 billion cubic meters are burned off annually, enough to power France and Germany for a year. Oil companies searching for oil regularly burn off the gas and consider it worthless unless it can be transported. It appears that 80 percent of the world's reserves lack pipelines to transport it to consumers. Sounds like a lot of pipeline building to me. Is this "big oil's " back up plan?
Natural Gas Burned As Worthless Gets New Life
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Last month Exxon Mobil inked an agreement with Qatar Petroleum, the state-run oil company of the OPEC-member country. The deal calls for Exxon Mobil to construct a plant that will produce 6.5 million gallons of fuel a day when it comes on line in 2011. Cost: $7 billion.
Harry Longwell, Exxon Mobil's executive vice president and director, says the company's official stance is that crude oil will continue to reign well into the middle of this century and probably beyond, but conversion of natural gas into liquids can give them flexibility.
The company's commitment in Qatar shows gas-to-liquids is no mere pipe dream. Exxon Mobil has spent 20 years and $600 million on front-end investments in this technology. It holds a staggering 3,500 U.S. and international patents related to this work.
"It's important to look at the total energy growth requirement," Longwell says. "We look to 2020 and think we'll need 20 percent more energy than we do now. We're interested in products that have interchangability."
Royal Dutch-Shell, ConocoPhillips, ChevronTexaco, Marathon and South Africa's Sasol are all in various stages of development for gas-to-liquids plants in the Middle East.
The focus for projects to prove this technology is Qatar. It's a natural starting point because the producer of oil sits atop the world's largest natural gas field, and many of the biggest oil companies have operations in the Persian Gulf state.
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: hmm
MissingLink wrote:
After oil has declined. If the gas to liquid projects work. With gas to liquid still being a finite fuel source.
Do you think man kind will learn from the oil age and look past the gas to liquid age with a plan?
I have a feeling that it will occur much like the transition from being an exporter of oil to an importer for the USA in the early 70's. For most people, they won't even know or care. Remember my thread on energy illiteracy? It will be an add-on much like nuclear power. The fix will be on. Life goes on. Death to the doomsayers. Maybe it will be different, but I doubt it. However it pans out, it will be a struggle though. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:06 am Post subject:
I guess everybody noticed that North Korea is definitely dark on the map of Earth by night. The future is there. To save energy we need a communist dictatorship! _________________ Not mother tongue. Sorry for the mistakes.
We all know that natural gas is next in line for the dominant energy source post-peak oil. Here is a great article with some worthy insights into the field.
A Conundrum - The Natural Gas Market
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The natural gas market can easily be considered an enigma wrapped in a riddle. US storage is at record levels yet prices are historically high. Drilling is at record levels yet supplies are falling. There exists an almost unexplainably large gap between natural gas spot prices and futures prices. While the recent surge in crude prices can be credited for some of the recent gains in natural gas prices, I believe there are several unrecognized trends that are shaping the North American natural gas market. Probably the most important reason to expect to see North American natural gas prices continue to escalate is that production continues to decline. US natural gas production continues to fall despite record drilling activity.
Canadian Natural Gas Wells Completed 2004*
Month Wells Completed % Change Same
Month 2003
January 1,659 107%
February 665 8%
March 1,192 20%
April 1,511 55%
May 1,258 63%
June 998 23%
Canadian Natural Gas Production 2004*
Month Production (bcf) % Change Same
Month 2003
January 536 -1%
February 489 2%
March 505 -3%
April 495 2%
May 490 3%
June 458 1%
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:08 am Post subject:
HA EAT THAT ECONOMISTS. Apparently there's a finite amount of natural gas and it is not a function of money! WHODATHUNK!
Look how clueless they are. They simply don't understand the earth is finite. All the drills in the world won't save you if there is no natural gas in the ground. _________________ Joseph Stalin "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
That still does not change the fact that Natural Gas is going into decline in the USA. Oil is about to Peak, period, we run our economy on oil and not natural gas.
there are burning oil soaked mountains in Azerbajan, Iran etc. but they are not commercial finds.
Isolated pockets of Natural gas do exist...and probly a lot more than most think...
The question is does it pay for the eqpt./pipelines to come in and tap it?
Let's say the fields in Nigeria and russia do pay off...
Who will get it, China?
These reserves are known to National Geographic....I would fathom that Cambell / Jean count them as well. In fact we do have 20 years more...but is that true if we replace the Oil w/ Gas?
besides trucks and cars on natrual gas would need some safety overhauls before I would support them. Small household methane tanks are a favorite for terrorists to use as an explosive...so think about what dammage an Accident on a hyway would cause.... _________________ With Love to all, and Malice to none.
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We all know that natural gas is next in line for the dominant energy source post-peak oil. Here is a great article with some worthy insights into the field ....
I'd suppose it looks like Canada is about to hit Peak Gas, huh. The author called it the natural gas threadmill, drilling more and more wells to stay at the same production rate.
Where/when will NG hit the equivalent of $70/$80/bbl oil, I wonder. _________________ Live quotes - crude oil, gold and currencies
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject:
If I was a tree I would be scared. Very scared. Natural gas is used throughout the country for heat/cooking. No gas/No heat? Only simple solution would be oil furnace/electricity<--if the grid can handle it/wood.
What we need to do is stop this consumer society in its tracks, right now, no more extending it into the future. It is a virus and must be distroyed. The farther we extend it the worse it gets, and we must stop right NOW!!!
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject: earth at night: the natural gas burnoff
The sad part of this enormous wastage is that the depletion curve of natural gas fields is typically a plateau followed by a fairly steep crash, rather than the smooth tail-off of an oil field, AND the oil industry seems to be rushing to natural gas as the primary remedy for the coming energy crunch. Plans abound for liquifaction and regasification plants and about 150 LNG tankers already ply the seas, with another 50 or more under construction. It seems that we are setting ourselves up for an energy squeeze on a time scale much more compressed than that of oil.
The question is does it pay for the eqpt./pipelines to come in and tap it?
Let's say the fields in Nigeria and russia do pay off...
Who will get it, China?
These reserves are known to National Geographic....I would fathom that Cambell / Jean count them as well. In fact we do have 20 years more...but is that true if we replace the Oil w/ Gas?
For some fields yes, but the capital outlay and time required to build a pipeline puts most remote gas reserves off the table. And look at the problems with building them, Afghanistan, etc.
Who gets the gas? Since it will have to be in LNG form, it depends on who has the LNG tanker and ports in place. Last count the US had three ports, I think. China is making many deals for future oil with Iran and most recently, Venezuela. Over the last three months, China has increased oil imports around 30-40%/month from a year ago!
20 years of natural gas at current consumption, yes. That would all change if we suddenly switched to more dependence on gas in place of oil. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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The future is there. To save energy we need a communist dictatorship! 
