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australia Guest
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:29 pm Post subject: EROEI |
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Anybody have any idea of the Energy Retrun on Energy Invested for Gas to Liquids conversion process?
I read that currently, Natural gas has an EROEI betwen 5-10.
Although oil had a very high (100) ratio years ago, now it also is about 10.
So what about the conversion process?
Any one seen any data?
.......thanks....AR |
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Phil Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 31, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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I read that 30% of the energy was lost in the process of liquifying / re-gasifying methane for transport via LNG tankers.
I don't remember from where though. |
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ar Guest
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: gtl |
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| Maybe I wasn't clear......natural gas conversion to oil. Not gas to LNG. |
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savethehumans Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:42 am Post subject: |
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No, but the EROEI of converting tar sands and oil shale to useable product is pathetic. I'd imagine gas-to-oil wouldn't be much better...or they'd be catching all the methane coming out of the thawing Arctic ground and be converting away!
NOTHING replaces oil & gas--and their EROEIs are now in the frightening ratio!  |
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Andy Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Gas to liquids conversion is a bit better than tar sands. The efficiency is around 60 - 70% for gas to diesel. If the EROEI of gas drilling is around 5 to 1, then EROEI of gas drilling to diesel should be about 3.5 to 1, significantly better than tar sands and oil shale. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Andy wrote: | | Gas to liquids conversion is a bit better than tar sands. The efficiency is around 60 - 70% for gas to diesel. If the EROEI of gas drilling is around 5 to 1, then EROEI of gas drilling to diesel should be about 3.5 to 1, significantly better than tar sands and oil shale. |
I haven't heard about "gas to diesel". Wouldn't it be more efficient to convert methane to lighter hydrocarbons in the gasoline range (pentane - octane)? |
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