Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3428 Location: California, USA
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
Hmm, yes, MI 1 - 4.
One of them is probably geospatial intel: mapping, and lately satellite photography. The latter, in the US, is the responsibility of NRO, whose existence remained secret at least through t he 1970s as far as I can tell.
One of them is probably counterintelligence, logically.
That leaves two more. Logical to assume one is domestic and the other is black ops.
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Oh, I knew well that there is not a written Constitution. As I understood it, customarily there is said to be an unwritten one.
I thought there was a long-standing agreement that the Monarchy does not engage in politics or in direct governance. Now you're here to say that this isn't so.
For a while I've been wondering if Prince Charles, once he accedes to the throne as (I assume) King Charles, could put some of his ideas about global warming into effect with any degree of legal power. If he can, frankly that would be a good thing. He & a President Al Gore, working closely together with a global agenda, could be just what it takes to avert the worst of it.
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1709 Location: East of Eden
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
JPL wrote:
I spotted the 'badge' of the Mayor of London office in the bottom left corner - Ken Livingstone - for the benefit of our American friends here - this guy has made his name out of being controvercial. This poster has his name all over it ;o)
Interesting. It had actually occurred to me to wonder if the 1984/Soviet style of the posters wasn't done intentionally -- but by the artists, to make an ironic statement that their bureaucratic clients or bosses might not comprehend. Still seems to me that might be the case with the Baltimore poster. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
Yes the poster looks terrible, yes there are a large number of cameras, but the "police state" label is not accurate.
I just read of a man who had been in prison for breaking into someones' property with a shotgun, and then raping a female occupant.
This piece of slime should have his head plastered all over the nearest wall, but he was released and with 6 months guess what, yes he'd raped again, a 15 year old girl.
"Police" state, no way, not by a long farking shot. _________________ "One minute I held the key, next the walls were closed on me, and I discovered that my castle stands upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand."
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1149 Location: Last outpost of Civilisation
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
gg3 wrote:
I thought there was a long-standing agreement that the Monarchy does not engage in politics or in direct governance. Now you're here to say that this isn't so.
Victoria was an 'absolute' ruler (over a quarter of the planet!). Since the Russian revolution the royals have been 'disengaged' from politics - but I want to distinguish between what is done by the monarch themselves and what is done in the name of the monarch ;o)
gg3 wrote:
For a while I've been wondering if Prince Charles, once he accedes to the throne as (I assume) King Charles, could put some of his ideas about global warming into effect with any degree of legal power. If he can, frankly that would be a good thing. He & a President Al Gore, working closely together with a global agenda, could be just what it takes to avert the worst of it.
Land reform. That would interesting to see ;o)
JPL _________________ The three most beautiful things in the world -
a full-rigged ship, a woman with child and a full moon.
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
I just wanted to share this quote:
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Commons leader Jack Straw also attacked the claims during business questions in the Commons.
He told MPs: "We should not give excuse or quarter to those who claim this country is a police state - that is absolute, utter nonsense.
from this article in BBC News, all very democratic of course, i consider UK to be now a benevolent police state, but as the time passes by or crisis unfolds (genuine or fabricated), the benevolent will be put aside. Remember the frog and the water?. _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
Haaaa! finally a concerned citizen knows how to spot a terrorist!!!!, check this link here with the info about the new publicity campaign posters. _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1149 Location: Last outpost of Civilisation
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
eXpat wrote:
Haaaa! finally a concerned citizen knows how to spot a terrorist!!!!, check this link here with the info about the new publicity campaign posters.
Quote:
Unusual activity or behaviour which seems out of place may be terrorist-related, and everyone who works, lives in or visits the capital is being urged to pass on any information to the confidential Anti-Terrorist Hotline.
Terrorists live within our communities, making their plans whilst doing everything they can to blend in, and trying not to raise suspicions about their activities. I would ask people to think about unusual behaviour they have witnessed, or things they have seen which seem to have no logical or obvious explanation.
Err, 9/11 may have been an inside job? The war in Iraq? Jeez, I hope these guys can take a reverse-charge (call-collect) call...
Hang on, let me think some more... overshot carbon targets, social housing for single parents, collapsing North Sea production, overshoot on the housing market, ethnic strife, cracking AGR's, damn-it KurtzTony - I see no methodexplanation here, at all...
JPL _________________ The three most beautiful things in the world -
a full-rigged ship, a woman with child and a full moon.
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
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: One of them is probably geospatial intel: mapping, and lately satellite photography. The latter, in the US, is the responsibility of NRO, whose existence remained secret at least through t he 1970s as far as I can tell.
One of them is probably counterintelligence, logically.
MI1 did code-breaking, MI2 Russian intelligence, MI3 dealt with the rest of Eastern Europe and MI4 looked after aerial reconnaissance. They became obsolete after WWII or were merged into other depts (e.g. GCHQ).
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: i consider UK to be now a benevolent police state
Have you got some first-hand experience, N. Korea maybe? Anyway leads into this…
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: This piece of slime should have his head plastered all over the nearest wall.
So which is it? Police state or liberal pussy-footing?
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
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Have you got some first-hand experience, N. Korea maybe?
As a matter of fact, yes i have some first hand experience, over a decade living in Brazil and Argentina when they had military governments, so, i wasn't in North Korea, but i had the censorship in the news, a couple of times army checking my house, etc.
But those are my personal views, for a more impartial list, i like to take this one, link _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
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for a more impartial list
"Progressive review - ARCHIVE OF ALTERNATIVE NEWS & INFO". At a glance they seem to have taken a list of recent developments in the US and defined them as fascism. I'm more interested in how I'm living in a police state in the UK. Can you draw any parallels between your time in Argentina and now? Is there a country where you believe a police state does not prevail?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
Hello Gridlock, first of all I would like to explain what this expresion I used in an earlier post means to me, as to clear any misunderstanding, I do not consider that UK is a fascist state with black shirts marching in the street and a frightened population. There's a huge distance between that and our current society.
What I find extremely worring is this government's tendency toward towards curbing individual rights.
I consider that things like this: link1, link2, link3, extracted from the last link:
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“First we had indefinite detention, now we have curfews and tagging – but still without trial. That hardly counts as progress,” said Ben Ward, special counsel in the Europe and Central Asia division of Human Rights Watch. “The government refuses to acknowledge a basic truth: punishment without trial is unacceptable, no matter what.”
And others such as: link4, link5,link6 are very disturbing signals indeed. And that comes from the same people that lied to us, and lied in the parliament about Iraq.
What it worries me is the growing power of the government over the citizen without proper controls by an independent Justice System.
The UK has some of the best services of intelligence of the word, they have a wide range of tools where to get information: monitoring of communications, infiltration of terrorist cells, monitoring of purchase of substances that can be used to make explosives, expertise of highly qualified people from the time of the cold war,etc.; why then individuals that may threaten the public with acts of terrorism can't be persecuted using the normal and well tested mechanisms of legal prosecution in a court of law?, instead of what seems to be encarcelating suspects and look for proof later. I cannot believe that the same intelligence and security agencies that wrestled with the well organized and trained KGB (or even IRA) are unable to deal with a much lesser threat. By the time the police is knocking the door of a suspect they should have already piles of evidence, no look for evidence after.
So answering your questions, my time in Argentina (even though I was there when the worst was over) was awful. I DON'T WANT THE SAME HERE. I think we should be very vigilant of our freedom and scrutinize very closely if those that are in power intent to curb it in any way.
I also believe that history shows that a police state cannot prevail in any country, sooner or later people will stand for the rights, the problem is that to learn such a lesson demands a very heavy price. _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1149 Location: Last outpost of Civilisation
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Bizarre 1984-esque UK poster
eXpat wrote:
I also believe that history shows that a police state cannot prevail in any country, sooner or later people will stand for the rights, the problem is that to learn such a lesson demands a very heavy price.
Hi eXpat,
You think this stuff is NEW? Or that the common people will always prevail against a psudo-police state? Read some of this:
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