Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6580 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: Transition Phase One, Plans A/B/C
We are at the end of the modeling phase according to Bakhtiari, our homegrown analysts and many others. Bakhtiari concluded last August we have reached the peak and recent numbers seem to back that up. From the August essay, Crude Oil: The Day After Tomorrow:
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Therefore, successive declines will occur over a number of 'transitions' --- the first of which is 'Transition One' ['T1'], followed by 'T2', 'T3' and 'T4' [5]. The very rough timeframe for each transition being between three to five years --- with an average of four years per transition.
Today we stand at the very onset of 'T1
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In another essay he points to the need to make plan A as well as B, C & D for each transition but the only one we can come close to predicting is the next one. Personally I am not ready to pop smoke and call everyone I know and yell head for the exits but the rumblings around here make me want to review my plans and I have found tapping away here is a good way to ruminate.
Some of you may be familiar with my T1 Plan A, if not it is basically:
1. Get out of debt.
2. Own outright a small piece of land and try to make it productive.
3. Diversify my income
4. Learn to live on less.
So far we have been successful at plan A.1, fairly successful at A.2 and working on .3 & .4.
Which isn’t to say we haven’t failed here and there but we are moving forward (backward in the Average American sense).
My uneducated guess is that plan A will cover 90% of what may transpire during T1. as outlined in the The Day After.. essay. Again my guess is that there is a 10% probability of something worse happening and a P5 or less of something really bad happening in the near term.
So what is Plan B for a P10 future?
P10 is a really bad social reaction to supply constraints, a realization that somebody really overstated their reserves so supply crashes faster than anticipated by most everyone and or maybe the little pothole in the GDP highway leads to the economy going into the ditch.
In this case my very merger graphics income dries up completely, as does some of my other income (calves, hay, odd jobs, greenhouse and produce)
We still have a little income, enough to keep the taxman away, the lights on when we need them and staples in the cupboard.
So Plan T1.B:
All of Plan A plus Learn to live on even less
Go into super conservation mode, electricity by need only, water conservation (well), all wood heat, homegrown beef, beans and potatoes and whatever we have canned and fresh from the garden along with a few staples from town.
We could do that.
Plan T1.C for the near term <P5.
This is way bad doomer porn territory! I’ll leave it to your imagination as to the possible cause but it is bunker mode time. Little public services, no power perhaps, no fuel, little or no food in town – bad moon rising.
Now C is tough, food, water and shelter – period. This is probably a no-warning, temporary scenario, so this is what I could do with what I have on hand:
Food:
We won’t starve for quite a while. we have at least a dozen steers at all times, and usually a hog or two.
I’d say we would have enough good will from the neighbors to inherit a milk cow and we would work the chickens hard and can/smoke/salt what is in the freezer - we have those supplies.
Depending on the onset season we would really go into the garden big time – fulltime I’d guess, as there would be no other income. I have quite a bit of seed.
I have some ground driven implements, a small stash of seed grain and enough diesel to get some wheat and field corn in the ground.
Water: more problematic. I have enough fuel on hand to run the generator to pump a minimal amount of water for quite a few months. There is a pond and intermittently flowing creek for the stock, lots of roofs and 55gal drums around and 35+ inches of rain a year here so I think we could get by garden wise.
Shelter:
I have several cords cut now and by the time I get cleaned up from the ice storm (barring Plan C going into effect before this fall) I will have at least two if not three years worth cut and stacked. I do have a Misery Whip should worse come to worse.
I guess Plan C looks bad enough that I really can’t see need for a Plan D since it probably requires runnin' and gunnin' and the chance of that is very remote in my opinion – I do have minimal preparations in that vein but will leave that to the folks in the gun thread to discuss as my possibility of surviving such a situation are slim indeed.
Anyone else thinking about this? _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Joined: Sep 02, 2005 Posts: 2979 Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Transition Phase One, Plans A/B/C
Pops wrote:
Anyone else thinking about this?
All the time Pops, all the time. I for one have a plan A,B,C, a very sketchy plan D. My goals are very similar to your goals . Plan A involves sticking it out and adapting to the future in Dallas but having enterprises in OKlahoma. B and C involve leaving Texas with my family and never looking back. I put things on a 5 year time table in which I am halfway into year #2. Unlike some folks who focus on guns I'd say that's about 10% or less of my agenda. The bulk focus is spent on getting out of debt(in 2 years I will just have a mortgage), increasing my awareness, and adding more skills in a agricultural trade(ranch hand).
I'll have to check out your link. _________________ "Every joke is a tiny revolution"-Culture Jammers Bible
Joined: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 225 Location: West of Chicago
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Transition Phase One, Plans A/B/C
Plan A - complete, just a mortgage after one year. Four incomes. 6 acres in SW Wisconsin, paid for. Huge garden (sunflowers this year) for homemade biodiesel.
Plan B - learning, learning. Want a listeroid, wood heat. Need to be mobile to get out of here if it comes to that. Making and keeping biodiesel on hand. Ready to get the garden in down here (in Illinois). Mother in law is teaching me to can, wife and I are learning to garden.
Upside: this stuff is in my nature anyway, PO just focuses it. If we had hundreds of years of oil left, I'd still learn how to garden and tinker with diesel engines.
Downside: Wife is a non-believer. I don't push it with her and she likes to putter in the gardens. Wants a potting bench, is going to get a greenhouse / shed. Showed her the gas bill. Tell her how much we save by me making our own biodiesel. Try not to swagger.
Guilt: I'm having a boatload of fun. Never ceases to amaze me that when you scratch a line in the dirt and put some seeds down, corn/lettuce/squash/carrots/radishes/beans come up and you can eat them. I'm not interested in surviving what may be coming, I'm looking at thriving. I need five more years to get ready, though.
I'm skeptical of the sudden crash but am an Eagle Scout from way back: Be Prepared!
I'm probably a lot more doomer-ish in terms of preperations, but having 3 young kiddies kind-of forces you to take the long-term view. I'm working on the premise that within their lifetimes we have a 100% risk of an energy collapse and a 95% of serious climate shift(s). If anyone thinks I'm wrong in saying this, then I'd love to see your data...
I also believe that people visibly living a 'carbon-free' lifestyle will encourage others around them to build some sort of future - I believe the biggest danger we face short-term is some sort of catastrophic war - if people have no hope this is what will inevitably happen.
Status as follows:
We sold our house in England a few years ago and bought a run-down mini-farm in France. I've been preparing for Peak Oil for the last two years solid. No job at present (not enough hours in the day) so we're currently living off our savings. In my previous life I was a web developer/DBA so I DO spend what spare time I have building a web-based telecommuting package - this is about the only short-term thing I'm doing but farm tools do cost money (sigh). Probably launch the software some time within the next year as I figure there could be quite a market soon!
The old house has been (mostly) rebuilt and super-insulated. Heating, cooking and hot water are now from a Rayburn 355 wood-burning stove. After much agonising we've decided to use mains electricity as long as it lasts and then do without. The technology of home power is just too vulnerable to trust long-term IMHO. All purchases of electrical goods have been halted and I'm learning to use hand tools instead for as many tasks as possible.
Motive power around the farm is a 1960 Ferguson tractor and there is about 10 years worth of diesel in storage. After that we'll do without...
On the land, fences are being removed and replaced with closely-planted willow hedging. With careful maintainence, these should be stock-proof within about 4 years.
Shelter breaks have been planted and fruit & nut trees put in behind them. This system will be expanded across the majority of the land over the next few years.
Produce-wise we have about an acre under intensive cultivation. About half of this is now under premaculture raised beds, the other half remains under conventional tillage. Grown are the usual range of kitchen vegetables plus (new for this year) grains (wheat, oats) and high-protein foods including peanuts and soya. I am also experimenting with some exotics like Yam etc. The aim with the latter is to build up the seed bank as much as possible, and also, keep a varied diet.
Livestock-wise we have a poney, ducks and chickens. No plans to expand this at present as I am trying to convert the family to vetarianism (a bit of a struggle!). Also my neighbour has a beef herd so I really don't see the need at present to keep stock.
In the kitchen we have been experimenting with different preserving techniques and now have most of the skills perfected (except salting - yeuugh!)
So that's us! I could go on but I have to go and sort the ducks out now so have to sign off. Bye!
JPL _________________ The three most beautiful things in the world -
a full-rigged ship, a woman with child and a full moon.
Plan A is basically stagflation
Plan B is limited but regular service interuptions some relatively long, Noticable increase in crime/violence
Plan C is long term service interuptions roving bands of MZB's
Plan D is Full out TEOTWAWKI shoot then go see who it was type living
Within 4 years I put plan A at 60%, plan B at 30% and plan C at 8%. PLan D is the remaining 2%
t1 plan A -
Get out of debt - 4 months and we only have a mortgage. If we stay at it and all goes well 2.5 years and we're debt free.
Keep our incomes diversified - Wife is government and it's as sure a thing as exists in this world. I'm private and capable of jumping to lots of places if need be. This gives us "guaranteed" stable income and hopefully a chance to outrun inflation if thats what it comes to.
Reduce costs - If you ignore the mortgage Gas and Insurance are our two largest expenses. Food is rapidly gaining. To help here I'm selling off my motorcycle to save $1000 in insurance and we've been carpooling most days in the more efficient of the vehicles.
For food we're trying to grow lots of vegetables/fruits at home this year and we've found that buying from local farmers and paying the butcher to be the way to go. 1/2 pig butchered is cheaper then buying the equivalent cuts from the grocery store. We hope to add chickens next year but if I can get everything in place I'll do it this year.
Reducing electricity usage has been an ongoing hobby that is now paying off to the tune of saving $30 per month in the summers $60/month in the winters. I'd guess it's about $500/year that now can go to other things.
My only real issue is the current homestead is too small and doesn't get enough sunlight. I can't move to anything supperior without trippling our current mortgage though so here we sit in the mean time.
T1 plan B - we have wood heat, gravity few water system, just enough solar and wind power to keep the water filtration system running and some batteries charged up for lanterns/whatever, Canning supplies are in the shop but we need a pressure canner yet. I need more firewood and it's still on the list to build a wood shed this summer. I hope to do that in June once the spot is cleared. we have our firearms licenses and enough firepower to make the average man on the street look elsewhere for a freebie.
My wife has requested a cold cellar be placed in the hill beside the shop. I'm concidering it. We do have a few months worth of food and the ability to harvest/hunt more if need be.
T1 plan C - We have the makings of BOB's but don't have them assembled. I'm hoping to use the cash from selling my bike to get a couple M-14's, mags and ammo. Also we need a second handgun. Holsters would also be useful. We know where we are bugging out to and have fuel and supplies stored for the run. sometime in the next few months the wife and I will both be taking our first aid certs again.
T1 plan D - I don't have a bunker but if we put in that root cellar.... _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Mule, I have family near your B location that have been doing what you plan for years. They are older than I (well smarter too cause they got out of Cent. Ca years ago).
I think you are heading in the right direction from my POV.
Lupy I am in the same boat re:
Upside: this stuff is in my nature anyway, PO just focuses it. If we had hundreds of years of oil left, I'd still learn how to garden and tinker with diesel engines.
As well as the shared conviction by the spouse – likewise mine likes doing things because she l;ikes too and you must agree that is a great thing!
JPL: I am envious of the work completed on the house (I am still in coveralls after working insulation above the bath) and certainly of the hedgerows and crops and fuel storage.
Strider, a government income could be gold (just between you and me, plan D is a little help from my kids in the service – I know they will get paid till quite close to the end)
Keep coming with your back-up plans – especially you folks that have way different ideas than us – there are lots more folks like you.
I’ll make sure you don’t get jumped! _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Well, Plan A is going relatively nicely for me. We've moved to the countryside, no mortgage, 10 acres, uninhabited mountains out the back and nice farming neighbours. Plenty of deer and rabbits. I keep horses, and so far they're eating most of the grass and the green stuff in my wallet. They're purely for pleasure at the moment, but I chose my steeds carefully. My big draught horse could easily do farm chores like harrowing and stuff, though I don't plan to grow grain in the future, so ploughing won't be necessary. My young Spanish Mustang stallion is hardy, lives off thin air and has hooves like diamond - he'll go for 30 miles a day without shoes provided I condition his feet right (which I'm doing). He's only tiny (14hh) but strong as an ox, so will carry loads if need be. I have a filly for him who I intend to breed from in a few years. I personally feel that if things get bad, then good horses that are easy to keep will be a nice little earner (either for working, or, at worst, for eating - breaks my heart to say that). I got manure coming out the yin yang, so another handy thing to have around. I feed my horses on very little (grass, hay, sugar beet, vit supp. and mag ox for the adults) and they can work well on this. For heavy work I'd need hard feed of some sort - I don't envision things getting so bad that I'd not be able to source some oats and sugar beet, but if they did I would just have to grow them. I'd need more land though, as I'm not on "grain" land. We're high up (for Ireland) so livestock, particularly sheep, do very well... but grains.. I dunno.
The garden is currently just grass. This is my most urgent project and I haven't started on it yet, the horses and work are just eating away at my time, but I'll be working less soon I hope, so will plug my energy into learning how to grow my own food. Chickens are on the plans for the near future, and maybe some pigs in a year or two. Permaculture and Jeavon's style gardening are appealing to me.
I'm desperate to get off grid, but again, have not done anything about it. It just occurred to me that our well water is pumped with electricity (well,.. I did already know that) and that we'd be well and truly screwed if power was rationed in any serious way - not to mention blackouts. Livestock need water. If worst came to worst, there is a lake about 20 minutes ride from me that I could take the livestock to, but everybody else would be doing the same thing I guess. There's only so much water... We also live near a huge reservoir, which is a bonus. Nevertheless I plan to collect rainwater. I do fancy a wind turbine as we get a lot of it. County council wouldn't giveus permission for one in a million years...or until TSHTF, by which point I doubt they'll care. But it'll probably be too late to get one by then. I'm going to keep a close eye on how things develop and hope that I can time it right to get planning permission for one.
We're getting a Rayburn, have a forest out the back (but I'll be planting my own small coppiced woodland anyway) but are currently on, if you can believe it, oil fired central heating. We are looking for ways out of this, wood being our main option.
I have a lot of "plans" but am struggling to bring them to fruition. My OH, while totally supportive, is not on board yet. Moving to the country was never something he actively wanted, and though he likes being here, he hasn't really gone for the self-sufficiency thing. Sure, he'd do it if he had to, but by then it's too late.
Plan B is a little more hardcore - I see a small community being "built" around my home as things get more scarce. Friends will be more than happy to pitch in around the place for food reward. We do have 50 acres about an hour-hour and a half's horse ride away, and this could definitely be put to good use growing food and raising livestock. Again, I see friends and family chipping in in return for a food supply. Whether or not my father keeps this land is another thing... he might, he might not.
If things get really apocalyptic - well, I'm learning archery and shooting this year. I intend to buy a gun, learn to hunt and some general survivial skills. I have visions of riding the 20 miles to my parents and friends in the 'burbs with packs of food for periods of real scarcity, but I'd have to do it in the dark as I can just imagine how tasty horse rump would look if one were hungry. Again - a good reason not to have shoes on the horse, they're very loud and instantly recognisable.
Personally I don't feel that Peak Oil related crises will be that bad. I expect die off in many parts of the world, but Ireland should be alright. Humanity has lived, and does live, without oil. We will continue to function in some sort of community manner without oil. The transition will hurt for many, but plenty of people live without modern conveniences and do just fine. It's just that all of us won't be able to make it through. I intend to do my bit so that I and mine have a good shot at making it. It's GW that really worries me. I have no way of dealing with that. If my crops die from influences beyond my control, then what can I do? Famine is a constant factor throughout all of Earth's history. There are places in famine today - there will be places in famine tomorrow. If it happens to be in my neighbourhood, there ain't much I can do about it. _________________ We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.
I am only one. I can only do what one can do. But what one can do, I will do. -- John Seymour.
On the land, fences are being removed and replaced with closely-planted willow hedging. With careful maintainence, these should be stock-proof within about 4 years.
Great thread Pops- and one that is very smart to think of and that is peak oil in stages and mitigation for different scenarios. As some of you know I intend to tough it out in an urban setting here in Portland OR.
I am planning heavily for t1 and the abcd scenarios.
I basically am into urban homesteading...
In general I only have 100 K in debt on a 5.5% fixed mortgage on my house. I've fixed it up a great deal by putting in all new wiring, insulation, skylights for passive solar, a jotul stove, wood shed and a root cellar. I am intensively gardening the rest of my very small plot but realize that I will not be able to provide almost any food off my land.
My friend has 160 acres of land near the coast and I am learning to hunt elk and fish out there and hopefully I could bring a fair bit of food from out there. He also has abundant trees for my woodstove.
Portland in unique in having a gravity fed water system that requires no electricity to pump in down from the mountains so there shouldn't be a great deal of water supply problems in a a or b scenario. However, if things get dire, I am thinking about installing a water catchment system of 10,000 gallons in my backyard that would be backup.
I have also helped to start a farmer's markett in my neighborhood and I hope to make greater inroads with my local farmers. It does not make sense for me to sell up and try to start a farm- not economically or with the amount of time left I have before things get tough. Instead I want to make my self a part of another farm by helping with harvest, transportation and sales- etc. I think that is a much better strategy for mitigating an a or b scenario. Meanwhile, living in a city means it is easier for me to generate income to pay off my mortgage and have money for buying assets or food in the future.
IN a c scenario- I feel lucky that I live in a fairly community minded city. I believe there would be a lot of effort towards relocalizing fast- I think it would be extremely bumpy but I'd be surprised if people starved in the streets initially. Historically, cities have been under siege and its citizens have survived for quite a while. At the same time, the level of crime and chaos that could erupt would be very scary and life threatening. Bug out time?
I like to think of my friend's land as a place to bug out to but I can't imagine surviving off elk and fish before I went crazy or died of aan untreated wound or dental abcess. So- more than likely- an early death.
Right now I am set up for a and b- I bike to my job at a hospital and my wife is an acupuncturist out of our backyard office. Our costs are minimal and we could get by on less- way way less- if we had to. Once we start getting to c and d- it starts getting weird.
The problem is that c and d could become normal parts of t2, and certainly par for the course by t3.
Here's a different viewpoint than the standard - "I bought a farm" prep plans ...
You guys have some nice plans but they are not really very speicific to Dr. B' s T1 - they actually seem to fit all the transitions: T1, T2, T3, T4.
If the whole point is to match your planning to the transitions, then T1 is going to consist of only two things - a financial pinch and psychological wakeup call. Personally, what I did to prepare is I went back to work in a big city. Totally counterintuitive to most people's plans here, but with the esoteric skills I have, I can make about a dollar a minute and I work 50 hours a week. I prepare best right now by earning as much money as I possibly can while there is still money to be made.
I am as big of a doomer here as anyone - the biggest problem as I see it is TIMING. If I head for the hills right now, and the major T1 problems are primarily financial in nature - then I end up in almost the same boat as everyone else - broke and dependent on govt handouts.
If Dr. B is correct (and I am pretty sure he is) then we have a good 10 to 15 years before things REALLY turn to crap. Which means on the flip side a good 5 to 10 years where things are not that much different than they are right now. Which means your primary need is going to be getting and holding a J-O-B and paying your bills - or building up enough (secure) savings and ramping down your consumption habits to accomplish the same thing.
Getting, building and holding a farm/stronghold sounds like a great wonderful goal - but I can think of a dozen things in as many seconds that could poke huge, deadly holes in those homestead dreams. Most of the people here (with the exception of Jack ) refuse to acknowledge such possbilities. Mental blocks.
For T1, I think the watchword should be 'FLEXIBILITY'.
I would absolutely LOVE to be in a position to buy a homestead. But undortunately for those of us with average means, that means either settling for a cheap area which I KNOW is not going to be very safe/productive in a crisis - or getting a mortgage to buy some outrageously priced POS in a decent area - which of course defeats the whole purpose since you are going so far into debt.
I have the capability to make decent money (as outlined above) which sounds great except for the fact that the govt takes better than 50 percent of it in taxes - so that screws the "work hard and save money" plan too.
Preppers here seem to have gone in one of two directions - buying cheap land in a less expensive area or getting a mortgage in a more expensive area. I can't bring myself to do either of those things.
I think they both suck.
Which leaves the 'playing it by ear" plan - which is what I am following right now.
No one has ever asked me what my user name means. 'kochevnik' is the Russian word for 'nomad' which is what I have always been (lived in over 50 different places around the world). Even in the old country - my father said our family was Gypsies. With the flexibility to move fast and often - anywhere - anytime - it's a strategy that has served me well. Until the other options don't suck so much, it's what I am going to stick with.
I remember a story I read one time - about a Jewish guy waiting for a ticket for a train out of Germany. Months he waited and finally at the last minute word came that he had 5 minutes to run down to the station to get his train - which turned out to be one of the last trains out before the war started in earnest. Luckily he had a packed suitcase under his bed - he grabbed it, and made the last train.
For the rest of his comfortable life in America - this guy slept with a fully packed suitcase under his bed. True story or not. There is a couple of good lessons here.
I entirely agree kochevnik- this is the best time to go urban if you can save a lot of extra money and funnel it into hard assets. I have been able to do that in spades in the last 5-10 years and I think I'll be able to do it for a few more. But I disagree that ruralistas are planning for all phases- they are planning more for t2-4 before considering t1 which will likely consist of hyperinflation, greater unemployment and stagnating wages. (This is starting to happen now).
Those folks out in the country who can't hold onto job and are trying to keep up with the accelerating cost of everything may suffer hard during t1- and that means foreclosure and bankruptcy if they don't have a great enough financial cushion.
They are going straight to doomer porn without preparing for the inbetween stage of a depression/demand destruction inflation unemployment. Not as fun to focus on that and instead go straight to lights out grab a gun.
But kochevnik- I wonder what your plan is for t2- that may not be that far off 2020?
They are going straight to doomer porn without preparing for the inbetween stage of a depression/demand destruction inflation unemployment. Not as fun to focus on that and instead go straight to lights out grab a gun.
But kochevnik- I wonder what your plan is for t2- that may not be that far off 2020?
Completely agree.
As for my plans ... T2 thru T4 is going to require a homestead just like everyone here says. I think one near (biking distance) a smaller city/larger town is going to be best.
I see only 3 ways to afford such a thing. One is to hope that housing prices crash. the bubble has popped no doubt - but prices have only begun to fall a bit. Maybe they even RISE in an inflationary crash. That's what happened the last time around in the 1970's.
Second is I have some long shot CL calls for oil. Like lottery tickets only a lot better odds
Third is I bite the bullet and move to a cheap place in a not so good area.
In the end though, as much as I hate to admit it, I think a great deal of whether or not you survive the next few decades is going to come down to luck. I am convinced that some cities/towns/areas will be wiped off the map and others will thrive in comparison to the average level of pain felt.
I have no crystal ball.
I just am going to have to prepare as best I can and hope that the rolled dice don't end up painted on the fuselage of a nuke with my name on it. Mostly what I am doing now is saving money, learning new skills - machining is my big interest right now - the ability to make parts from scrap is going to be an important one - at least for awhile, and trying to raise my kids in the right way, and gathering things I think will be hard to get in the future.
Even Bakhtiari puts the phases at 3-5 years in length. That would mean T2 isn't in 2020. T2 is by 2012. At best case you'd be entering T4 in 2022.
I know that I'm putting more emphasis on T2 and beyond then T1 simply because I know how to react in T1. Lots of people do because at some time or another lots of people have lived through really hard economic times. I don't know for sure how to thrive through t1 but ask any poorer family what they did during the last recession. Thats what you'll need to do.
Now on the other hand who are you going to ask what to do When we are approaching T2? Ferfal is the only person I can think of and really he's just in a bad T1 with some aspects of T2 showing up.
T1 your income must exceed your expenses no matter what.
T2 you have to not be killed/starve/get sickwhile many around you are fighting to do the exact same thing. It's a much more desperate situation and worthy of more attention in my mind.
Having said that I do totally respect the modern nomad lifestyle. I've often thought of leaving my current well paying job buying a truck and camper and heading to the oil fields for a very well paying job. My family is what keeps me from looking into it more seriously. The risk outways the gains in my case. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
Joined: Oct 15, 2005 Posts: 1561 Location: Portland, Oregon
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Transition Phase One, Plans A/B/C
kochevnik wrote:
As for my plans ... T2 thru T4 is going to require a homestead just like everyone here says. I think one near (biking distance) a smaller city/larger town is going to be best.
Since we're operating from the same mindset- are you planning on buying something during t1 and hobby farming until you have to switch over? Obviously if you wait too late and switch over once things get really dire, it will be very difficult to create a sustainable farm in a quick period of time.
This is why I am working on alternative t2 preps such as making inroads with farmers and developing my hunting/fishing skills while capitalizing on the t1 end of the oil boom to acquire cash that can be transferred into hard assets.
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) refuse to acknowledge such possbilities. Mental blocks.