Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1379 Location: Appalachian Foothills of Virginia
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
I saw the US premiere of this documentary last night at the Swiss Embassy. My impressions;
* This is intended for general audiences. There are no long lists of statistics and endless graphs, though some statistical information is shown or mentioned by the interviewees (including Hubbert's 1975 interview).
* Brief titles are used when displaying credentials for the interviewees, so PhDs, CEO status and the like are absent. This could lead some to not understand the weight of the input by persons like Campbell and Simmons.
* Convincing shots of abandoned oil fields and the people who had been dependent on them helped to reinforce the idea that oil wells really do exhaust.
* Realistic estimates about the availability of other sources of energy to replace oil burst the bubbles of many in the audience, including my guest.
I invited a well-known video journalist to join me (who has two V8 SUVs himself) and he was completely moved by the experience; one could see the gears turning. He expressed concern for the welfare of his children and the state of the economy in the near future. I have mentioned some statistics to him in the past, but seeing this footage and hearing from the experts directly, with a carefully woven story, made for a convincing slamdunk.
Producer Gelpke was on-hand to field questions, and while not a scientist or geologist, was quite adept at handling questions. To my question about the peaking of North American natural gas, he said he understood that to be the case and could greatly slow the extraction of oil from Canadian Tar Sands, limit near term hydrogen production, and place the Country at greater risk for foreign energy dependence.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
skyemoor wrote:
I invited a well-known video journalist to join me (who has two V8 SUVs himself) and he was completely moved by the experience; one could see the gears turning. He expressed concern for the welfare of his children and the state of the economy in the near future. I have mentioned some statistics to him in the past, but seeing this footage and hearing from the experts directly, with a carefully woven story, made for a convincing slamdunk..
It will be interesting to see if he emails you with some article touting "insert panacea here" as the solution. My guess is he might simply because to think otherwise might create too much dissonance for him. His brain is likely working hard to delete, deny, or rationalize out of existence what he just saw. _________________ http://www.peakoil.org
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1379 Location: Appalachian Foothills of Virginia
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
Back on the subject of this thread, the movie and its effects;
MattSavinar wrote:
It will be interesting to see if he emails you with some article touting "insert panacea here" as the solution. My guess is he might simply because to think otherwise might create too much dissonance for him. His brain is likely working hard to delete, deny, or rationalize out of existence what he just saw.
He was able to see through the everyday "gee, isn't this normal?" mindset. Indeed, at one point last year, he even started biking to work until winter set in. This movie was a crucial tipping point for him, and I'll be around to help him resist backsliding.
But for others who might casually see this film and not have someone around to lend moral support and disinformation debunking, you are right; they'll have a moment of insight, guilt, and a search for answers. Then 2 days will go by and they will forget all about it because oil, errr, corn is being turned into ethanol and consequently SUVs should retain their rightful place in our overconsumptive culture, errr, "American Way of Life".
By the way, I don't know if you've had a chance to see the final version, but your segments were effectively focused and to the point. The producer kept inserting them at key intervals throughout the film. One minor point; in future shoots, background clutter (boxes, etc) could distract people's attention away from concentrating on you and what you have to say. _________________ http://www.carfree.com http://ecoplan.org/carshare/cs_index.htm http://www.velomobile.de/GB/Advantages/advantages.html
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
I liked the movie, one thing which was odd was near the end of the movie they were talking about processing ethanol while showing clips of palm oil plantations and palm fruit being processed. _________________
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Made up of tallow and a little wick;
Joined: Apr 26, 2005 Posts: 39 Location: pigging through the pipeline
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Crash Movie Review
Just to let everyone know, as of April 4th the movie can be rented at all rogers video outlets in Canada.
BTW, Matt, I liked the "katrina bunker"
As soon as I can purchase one from Rogers, I will be off to "early adopt" our city council on this matter.
Over all, I thought the movie was a good informative well thought out doc to move this problem on the front burner along with Gore's movie. All we need is 4 or 5 dollar CDN /Liter of gas through a hickup in the system and may be an acadamy award in two years.
imho- prediction
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Crash Movie Review
I can't believe how long it's taking this film to reach general release.
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I don't see this film having much of an effect honestly.
I'm working with a kid now on a short script about peak oil. (He dumped his film major after learning about peak and is trying to become an organic farmer.)
He's worried about a too-doomish film "turning people off" and the necessity of "offering suggestions or hope" at the end. My advice is, if you don't personally see any hope, then why pretend to offer suggestions? Dumb people will always say, "What should we do?"
Neither he nor I will make any money off of this movie. It's simply not going to make a difference in peak awareness or preparedness.
"Then why bother making the movie?" he said.
"Because you want to. What other reason is there?"
I'm hoping to make it a short horror film. Funny, too.
How many films have had the guts to say, "OK. Here's the situation. We have no farking idea how to fix it. Figure it out by yourselves. By the way, there might be a die-off." _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Joined: Jul 14, 2004 Posts: 386 Location: The Motor City
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: "A Crude Awakening, The Oil Crash" DVD.
I got mine hot off the press yesterday and watched it this morning. I hate to have to compare it to End of Suburbia, but it is the best way to explain what this movie offers that others don't. First, this movie is much more focused on global impact and employs many more international experts than EOS. I also like that it really drives home the point that population is ultimately the underlying problem when it comes to fossil fuel depletion.
The best part of the movie was the historical focus. The producers show Baku, Lake Maracaibo, and McCamey, Texas in their heyday, then they smack you over the head with the current situation in the form of abandoned fields and rigs, and it just makes you want to puke.
The experts in this movie absolutely beat the piss out of the official line on reserve numbers.
In terms of the players, we get the usual dose of Simmons and Campbell. It was refreshing to see Roscoe Bartlett and Matt Savinar weigh in with their insight. Matt's value to this movie is cutting through the bullshit when this movie flirts with possible techno-fixes (nice work explaining that "solving" peak oil is like colonizing pluto, not landing on the moon). For the most part, David Goodstein is the star in this movie the way Kunstler is in EOS. He gets an A- for his performance. He is crystal clear in explaining the facts in layman's terms, yet he has this look of horror on his face the entire time that almost has more impact on the viewer than the substance of what he is saying. He goes a little awry when discussing how he thinks a space type program for energy could save us, but you get the idea he doesn't really believe this when he then breaks down the numbers for nukes and biomass, although he does leave a glimpse of hope on the solar issue. In the end, at least we don't get the New Urbanism mantra from EOS and the movie pretty much tells you it's over for hydrocarbon man.
The production of this movie is incredible. It's even crisper than EOS. My only beef is that it really seemed long, although I realize it is about the same time length as EOS. I just think the producers could have shaved off ten or twenty minutes cutting out all of the cool shots of deserts, obscene energy infrasturcture, Saudis in flowing robes, and giving us the schlocky '50's/60's era U.S. petroleum commercials that we saw in EOS. My point is, I felt like I gave birth after this movie, so I think the unitiated might turn this thing off halfway in or have to take it in small doses. Oh yeah, and the classical music track in the background gets annoying after a while.
Anyway, this was well worth the $40 and a great educational resource for peak oil newbies and experts alike, although I should note there is nothing that earth shattering for anyone following peak oil issues the last few years.
Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 5504 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: Re: "A Crude Awakening, The Oil Crash" DVD.
This was shown on the Sundance Channel, and yes, it was very good. In fact it is an excellent movie to initiate the curious about PO.
While to the PO aware, some scenes may seem long and drawn out, chilling scenes of vast rusting oil fields and equipment around the world drive home the message that the era of easy oil has already passed by.
I'm not sure if and when it will be shown again on Sundance, but if so, I will try to place a reminder here. _________________ It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2089 Location: Arkansas
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
I just watched the movie (ordered and received from LATOC). My favorite is still "End of Suburbia." However, Crude Awakening was better on lack of alternatives to oil.
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
Just received mine from Matt's store. Slapped in at lunchtime yesterday and watched.
My immediate impression: there's nothing more to say.
Really, it's all been said & said. But that's from my jaded, over-informed perspective.
What about as a source of information to the uninitiated? It's good.
"End of Suburbia" has already tread that ground, however. The makers of "EOS" need to be very proud of themselves. They have set a template toward which other films will be judged.
I will say, "Crude Awakening" is much better than the limp, ponderous, overly-long "Crude Impact" (it's a shame their names are so similar). It illustrates, perhaps, the differences between an American (moralistic, politically-correct, prescriptive, happy-happy-joy-joy) point of view and a Canadian/European view (more objective, give-a-Fark-what-you-think- of-me, figure-it-out-yourself) point of view.
I agree that the high point of "Crude Awakening" is the "McCamey Texas now/ Baku now/ Maracaibo now/ segment: brilliant. Of the category "a picture is worth a thousand words."
The filmmakers have adopted "End of Suburbia"'s technique of swapping interviews, contemporary footage with archival 40s, 50s, 60s footage with ironic effect. It works, but I kept thinking "It's been done."
It was nice to see other faces: Professor Goodstein, etc. Simmons and Campbell make welcome appearances. The "cast" seems more professionally-oriented than EOS, and the focus is definitely more oil-based.
As a doomer-in-spite-of-himself, I was slightly disappointed, but as I say, that may be a flaw in my perspective, not the film itself. I'm going to watch it again this weekend with select Doomer Friends. I'll post here again my "second thoughts."
This is definitely going to be shown in my classroom, in spite of the redundancies with "End of Suburbia." It's the right length (1:20; I'll have to figure out a way to cut off five minutes) unlike the perpetual motion machine of "Crude Impact."
I have to hand it to the filmmakers for not succumbing to "Crude Impacts" tempation to offer feel-good panaceas at the end. No "messages" like, "Put in CFLs and feel good about your consciousness!"
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
It's tough to put yourself in the mindset of who really should be watching this, which is the lesser informed. I think it was on par with EOS, although I miss Kunstler. There were some good old clips in both, although the footage of the abandoned oil provinces in Crude Awakening was compelling. I would have to watch it again but one complaint is that the interviewees didn't have their titles/roles shown on the screen much if at all while being interviewed. I may have missed it though.
I bought 3 copies of EOS and lend them out. I would do the same with this.
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
Just finished a second viewing of "Crude Awakening."
It holds up, sort of [I have changed my mind]
The concensus around the room was that this film is too confusing for the uninitiated. The "initiated" see it as retreading the same ground as End of Suburbia.
Crude Awakening, while far superior to "Crude Impact," doesn't have the panache of End of Suburbia. The pacing is sluggish. There is no narrative framework: it's easy to get lost in facts and figures and to wonder, "where are we in the story"? Barrie Zwicker's narration in EOS really brought it all together.
The subtitles are simply unreadable.
There are some parts that are so close to EOS as to seem like plagiarism: Matt Simmons' comments, Colin Campbell's comments, the archival footage used humorously, the prospects for suburbia--all seem completely derivative.
There are parts of this film I really like and will show parts to my class. As a whole, however, it's just not worth the 1-1/2 hours of class time.
For the record, I paid the full $40 for the DVD.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
killJOY wrote:
Just finished a second viewing of "Crude Awakening."
It doesn't hold up, I'm sorry to say.
The concensus around the room was that this film is too confusing for the uninitiated. The "initiated" see it as retreading the same ground as End of Suburbia.
Crude Awakening, while far superior to "Crude Impact," doesn't have the panache of End of Suburbia. The pacing is sluggish. There is no narrative framework: it's easy to get lost in facts and figures and to wonder, "where are we in the story"? Barrie Zwicker's narration in EOS really brought it all together.
The subtitles are simply unreadable.
There are some parts that are so close to EOS as to seem like plagiarism: Matt Simmons' comments, Colin Campbell's comments, the archival footage used humorously, the prospects for suburbia--all seem completely derivative.
There are parts of this film I really like and will show parts to my class. As a whole, however, it's just not worth the 1-1/2 hours of class time.
For the record, I paid the full $40 for the DVD.
If you bought if from LATOC, send it back and you'll get your money back. _________________ http://www.peakoil.org
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash
skyemoor wrote:
One minor point; in future shoots, background clutter (boxes, etc) could distract people's attention away from concentrating on you and what you have to say.
That was their idea. I though it was stupid at the time but my thinking was "hey you guys are the professionals" _________________ http://www.peakoil.org
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