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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
It's that time of year again not that you'd know from the mainstream media
Like seriously, I can walk down the street and mention Bilderberg to 100 people
and be lucky if one in that hundred doesn't give me a blank stare
Aside from the Irak quagmire, energy problems continue to dominate Bilderberger discussions. Oil and natural gas are finite, non-renewable resources. That’s because once used up it cannot be replenished. As the world turns, and as oil and natural gas supplies dwindle while demand soars dramatically, especially with Indian and Chinese booming economies who want all the trinkets and privileges of an American way of life, we, as the Planet, have crossed the midpoint of oil production and discovery. From now on, the only sure thing is that supply will continue to diminish and prices will continue to increase. In these conditions world conflict is a physical certainty. End of oil means end of world’s financial system, something which has already been acknowledged by Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, two full time members of the Bilderberger inner circle. Goldman Sachs oil report, [another full time member of the Bilderberger elite] published on March 30, 2005 increased the oil price range for the year 2005-6 from $55-$80 per barrel to $55-$105. During 2006 meeting, Bilderbergers have confirmed that their short range price estimate for oil for the 2007-08 continues to hover around US$105-150/barrel. No wonder Jose Barroso, President of the European Commission, announced several months ago during the unveiling of the new European energy policy that the time has come for a “post-industrial age.” To bring the world into the post industrial age, you first need to destroy the world´s economic base and create another Great Depression. When people are poor, they don´t spend money, they don´t travel, and they don´t consume.
As the economic impact sinks in, and as the after effects of Peak Oil become evident in the face of breakdown of civilization, the United States will be forced to challenge Europe, Russia and China for the hegemony of control and the ever depleting hydrocarbon, non-renewable reserves most of which are contained in the Middle East. That will be point number two on the Bilderberg 2007 agenda.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
That doesn't seem like a very serious site. But I have spoken to a Bilderberg member who is well aware of Peak oil, but who complained that due to the uncertain timing it was hard to do much about it.
He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.
edit: Checking around that page, it seems I have met two Bilderbergers, but only spoken about Peak oil with one of them (the smarter one). _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
Lunatic fringe or reality...
Man, you can get that close to one and you didn't take em "out"?
Some humanitarian you are!
Are these people any relation to the Illuminati?
Ooh I see my favorite PNAC Neoconservative Richard Perle is in attendance but that means absolutely nothing... go to sleep, go to sleep now my darling...
Is there some unwritten rule where you must have at least one former nazi? _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
Starvid wrote:
That doesn't seem like a very serious site. But I have spoken to a Bilderberg member who is well aware of Peak oil, but who complained that due to the uncertain timing it was hard to do much about it.
He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.
edit: Checking around that page, it seems I have met two Bilderbergers, but only spoken about Peak oil with one of them (the smarter one).
Oh yeah? Well I know three Bilderbergers, any one of whom could beat up all of yours!
Nice to know that the elite of the world regularly gather at one convenient spot to decided our fate. How do they keep things straight with what goes down at Bohemian Grove, though?
I'm reminded of something Norman Davies said about a secret society, "the most secret of them all - except for the ones that remain secret, of course." _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
Could you slide your shorts down please?
Joined: Mar 28, 2005 Posts: 399 Location: Northern California, USA
Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
skiwi wrote:
As the economic impact sinks in, and as the after effects of Peak Oil become evident in the face of breakdown of civilization[/b], the United States will be forced to challenge Europe, Russia and China for the hegemony of control and the ever depleting hydrocarbon, non-renewable reserves most of which are contained in the Middle East. That will be point number two on the Bilderberg 2007 agenda.
From later in the article...
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Iran war, after two years of huffing and puffing by the Bush government is definitely off the table. Furthermore, with France, Russia, Japan and China investing heavily in Iran, the world has drawn a line in the sand and the U.S. will be told at the conference not to cross it. There is blood in the water, and blood in the water usually leads to a good fight.
I must say that I am absolutely fascinated by the Chinese, Russian, and Indian governments not going along with the western powers plans as of late, whether these plans are determined at Bilderberg meetings or not. Have any of you guys heard of the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Organization). It's the Russia, China, India, Central Asia and Iran club.... Sort of the anti-NATO. Anyway I told all you guys last year that we weren't going to attack Iran because the Russians had given advanced anti-aircraft/anti-ship/anti-cruise missile weaponry to the Iranians and China and Russia weren't on board with us carving the place up.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
Yeah.
Well.
This is precisely the reason for our soon sudden conversion to our Grandparent's lifestyle, and the reason many of us are moving to southern Oregon and Northern California.
on a different topic.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
TheDude wrote:
Starvid wrote:
That doesn't seem like a very serious site. But I have spoken to a Bilderberg member who is well aware of Peak oil, but who complained that due to the uncertain timing it was hard to do much about it.
He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.
edit: Checking around that page, it seems I have met two Bilderbergers, but only spoken about Peak oil with one of them (the smarter one).
Oh yeah? Well I know three Bilderbergers, any one of whom could beat up all of yours!
Hehe, I didn't mean it like that.
And I only said I met them, not that I knew them. _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
purcatty wrote:
Starvid wrote:
That doesn't seem like a very serious site. But I have spoken to a Bilderberg member who is well aware of Peak oil, but who complained that due to the uncertain timing it was hard to do much about it. He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.
This is going to be sooo deserved.
Well, who does?
Only the doomers, and no one cares what they say. _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
Bilderberg has been talking about Peak Oil since at least 2005. This is from an entry I posted on democraticunderground.com two years ago linking to an article from the same author:
I really haven't done enough research on the Bilderberg group to have a definite opinion. I don't think they control the world to the degree that some suggest, but any group that operates as a "secret society" is no friend of democracy. This article purports to detail their latest meeting and if accurate, paints a chilling portrait:
The world in the palm of their hands: Bilderberg 2005
By Daniel Estulin
Online Journal Contributing Writer
snip
Energy
An American Bilderberger expressed concern over the skyrocketing price of oil. One oil industry insider at the meeting remarked that growth is not possible without energy and that, according to all indicators, the world's energy supply is coming to an end much faster than the world leaders have anticipated. According to sources, Bilderbergers estimate the extractable world's oil supply to be at a maximum of 35 years under current economic development and population. However, one of the representatives of an oil cartel remarked that we must factor into the equation, both the population explosion and economic growth and demand for oil in China and India. Under the revised conditions, there is apparently only enough oil to last for 20 years. No oil spells the end of the world's financial system. So much has already been acknowledged by The Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, two periodicals who are regularly present at the annual Bilderberg conference.
Conclusion: Expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do.
During the afternoon cocktail, European Bilderberger noted that there is no plausible alternative to hydrocarbon energy. One American insider stated that currently the world uses between four and six barrels of oil for every new barrel it finds and that the prospects for a short-term breakthrough are slim, at best.
But this is the paragraph that really pissed me off:
It should be remembered that in late 2003, oil giant Royal Dutch Shell, announced that it had overstated its reserved by as much as 20 percent. Queen Beatrix of Holland, Royal Dutch Shell´s principal shareholder is a full-fledged member of the Bilderbergers. Her father, prince Bernhard was one of the founders of the group back in 1954. The Los Angeles Times reported that "For petroleum firms, reserves amount to nothing less than ´the value of the company.'" In fact, Shell cut its reserve estimates not once, but three times, prompting the resignation of its co-chairman. At Rottach-Egern, in May 2005, industry's top executives tried to figure out how to keep the truth about diminishing oil reserves from reaching the public. Public knowledge of the diminishing reserves directly translates into lower share prices, which could destroy financial markets, leading to a collapse of the world economy.
How totalitarian is that? The infrastructure of society may collapse in no small part due to their efforts to keep us in the dark, but it seems like it's just business as usual to them.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
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During the afternoon cocktail, European Bilderberger noted that there is no plausible alternative to hydrocarbon energy.
The same exact line which the vast majority of the politicians and corporate elites peddle.
There are plausable alternatives, but they are decentralized, cheaper than, and entail less profit than does oil.
These alternatives just aren't plausible to TPTB, even if they are practical, scalable, and economically competitive.
If TPTB need a severe crisis(perhaps leading to ecocide, a dieoff of billions, and a global corporate police state) to grab more power and resources and make more money, then they will see to it that is exactly what we have.
The technology hurdles for the clean energy future have been overcome, but TPTB don't want this future. Why? They will no longer be TPTB. _________________ The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
The_Toecutter wrote:
If TPTB need a severe crisis(perhaps leading to ecocide, a dieoff of billions, and a global corporate police state) to grab more power and resources and make more money, then they will see to it that is exactly what we have.
Some would argue they have the first and third going already.
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The technology hurdles for the clean energy future have been overcome, but TPTB don't want this future. Why? They will no longer be TPTB.
When haven't there been P that B? That they might want to continue their jetsetting and "afternoon cocktails" while the rest of us scrabble in the dirt, sure, given their lack of ethics in the past.
It's just that in the real world things unfold in a much more messier manner, which makes me doubt they'll be able to keep up their charade either. Keep the ME oil all you want, scumbags. You going to move the Boeing plants from Seattle to Riadyh while you're at it? And the techs? What are you going to grow in SA to eat? Import it from some grain belt? Supply lines, troops, marauders, famished populous thirsty for your blood?
Your average billionaire is good with numbers and capital, I don't think they're cut out to be an effective despot at the same time. Of course maybe this Bildberg group is pooling resources as we speak. Since the rest of us are screwed ten times to Sunday I say let's get to grubbing in that dirt.
Conspiracies I find a bit too pat usually. They're very attractive to the imagination, which distracts some people from keeping a balanced outlook on things. Alex Jones disregards Peak Oil, natch, without some massive continuous input of energy his NWO vanishes into the ether. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
Could you slide your shorts down please?
Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Bilderberg to discuss peak oil
Starvid wrote:
He didn't seem to see it as the end of the world though.
The Bilderberger that I know invited me over to his new home (bunker, actually - that's blast-fortified, solar and wind-powered, has both passive and active air filtration systems, built alongside an artesian spring, and has a five-years supply of freeze-dried food, and a machine shop, wood shop, media center, three-layer full perimeter defense system, wait staff and rottweilers, and a nine-hole golf course, squash court, bowling alley and heliport) for tea just the other day, and he didn't see it as the end of the world either.
So no worries from me. Those in charge are working things out.
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