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Commanding_Heights Heavy Crude


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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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| If you have squash vine borers you know how quickly they can kill a squash, pumpkin or zucchini. Not a good thing in a post PO survival situation. I hate pesticides and not to mention they don't work because when you have vine borers it's usually too late due to the fact they are in the base/vine of your plant. The tell tell sign of them are tiny holes on the trunk of the plant with a saw dust looking mixture coming out of the hole. Every year they decimate my plants. So this year I tried an experiment. I took one of those turkey injectors that you use for deep frying turkeys and used it to inject a hydrogen peroxide/water solution into their bore tunnels. When I could I would also stab them. This worked great. It sure beat the only other solution I've ever read which is taking a razor blade and slicing the plant open to fish for them. That killed most of my plants. This did not. Give it a try! |
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madrid Tar Sands


Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 40
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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I am so glad someone brought this up. Last year all our Zucchini plants were killed by the vine borers that I am told are the larvae of the white cabbage moths. I live in New Jersey, where these vine borers are a constant problem. As a result we bought two kinds of zucchini and squash plants that are supposedly resistant to the cabbage moth being able to lay its eggs on the stem. So far this year, we have not had any problems with the vine borers. The two kinds are Zucchini Squash Costata Romanesco from Italy, which you can buy through Jonny's seeds, and Hybrid Summer Squash, round Geode F1 from France, also sold through Johny Seed.
The way these plants work, I am told, is that the spikes on the leaf stems are so long that the moths cannot lay their eggs on them. And it is true, whenever I try to inspect these plants, I invariably get little spikes in my fingers, which hurt like crazy.
The other thing that I have found to work (perhaps someone with more experience might confirm this) is to put tin foil around the lower stems. This is in any case, what my wife's family does in Tuscany, Italy with squash in order to protect it, although the vine borers there are apparently not as bad as here. |
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madrid Tar Sands


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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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By the way, could you tell me what part of the country you live in?
And also, what's the ratio of water to hydrogen peroxide you are using?
thanks. |
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Ludi NeoMaster


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13065 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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I've read that mulching the squash plants with aromatic herbs works to repel the adult borers from laying eggs. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy |
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kjmclark Heavy Crude


Joined: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 326
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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Some things we've tried (Great Lakes region):
- inject nematodes - unclear if this worked, and expensive
- inject Bt - works, but you have to start early and inject in multiple places. However, Bt is pretty cheap, and organic. This is now our preferred method.
- slice and remove, burying sliced sections in compost - mostly worked, but very time consuming and you have to be sure to water lots for a week or so afterward.
- spray every week with Bt - probably works, but we're not good at that level of diligence
- surround the plants with nasturtiums - probably worked, and nasturtiums are edible and grow easily. Eventually they start to take over though. |
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kjmclark Heavy Crude


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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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| madrid wrote: | | Last year all our Zucchini plants were killed by the vine borers that I am told are the larvae of the white cabbage moths. |
And, BTW, the white cabbage moths produce a green caterpillar that only eats cole family crops. (Bt also works well for them, but they're pretty easy to get rid of with your fingers or predatory wasps.) They don't touch cucurbits (squash family). The vine borer is a moth that flies a lot like a wasp. We caught one a few years ago. Kind of a pretty devil-red. Great fun to smash with a vengeance. |
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Fishman Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 819 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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| The squash vine borer is the only bug that I seem unable to whip except with Sevin dust. Everything else in my garden is organic. This is one tough bug to prevent. I'm trying diatom. earth this year as a preventive. |
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manu Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jul 26, 2006 Posts: 760
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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| Has anyone tried moth traps? |
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antcoloNY Coal


Joined: Jun 30, 2007 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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Hi from s.e. Pa. tis a beautiful summer morn,
birds are chirping and squash borers are borin.
wood ashes and lime spread around base of plant
seems to have put a dent in their appetite , a couple of flowers produced Zuchinni , which hasn't been the case over the last several years. |
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NoLogos Tar Sands


Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Posts: 68
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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You could plant your squash a little late, so your vines are too small for the borers. However, there are usually several generations a year and they eventually get into nearly every plant. If your plant is surrounded by other plants, the odds are better that the borers will not find them.
Once the borers are there, you can shine a bright light thru the stem and find the borers, then kill them with pins. Slitting the stem is do-able, if you slice the stem vertically and the plant doesn't move much afterwards. The plants will survive without burying the stem, but watering is essential and the yield will be reduced (but zukes are pretty prolific).
I haven't ever tried hydrogen peroxide or Bt, even tho it sounds easier. Maybe a weak bleach solution would work? Or maybe a salt solution? If I am sick of zukes when the next generation of borers get around here...  |
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kjmclark Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Found a Solution for Squash Vine Borers |
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Seriously, just inject Bt. I bought ours in a small bottle (1pt.) of concentrate that makes 48 gallons of mixed Bt. Then buy a garden syringe. Make a slightly stronger solution of Bt (a teaspoon in a cup of water), draw it into the syringe, push the syringe into the middle of the squash vine, and inject the Bt.
Just after I wrote my first message above, I went out and found frass on a number of our pumpkin vines. So I took an hour and injected all of our cucurbits, probably 60 injections total. It's really fast; it took more time to get the Bt bottle out and find the syringe than it took to inject everything. Every week or so, mix some more up at double strength and dilute to final strength in a watering can as you water your squashes. Easy.
Two weeks later, no more squash borers. Bt is organic, our 1pt bottle cost $14 and lasts about five years.
Of course, then you have the problem of what to do with all of that squash!  |
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