Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1851 Location: East of Eden
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona
Plants, I didn't realize you're an artist -- me too. I'm working on the fine art thing, never done much caricature work -- though I know it requires much in the way of observation, and knowledge of features and facial expressions. Being able to whip those things out is impressive. Some of my teachers got their start that way. I've drawn and painted mainly people so far, portraits and figures; but I'm interested in getting into naturalist art. We should do a thread about the role of the arts in a post-peak world. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona
MonteQuest wrote:
Kinda lush for a desert, que no?
Actually Sedona occurs on the northern periphery of the Verde Valley/Salt River Water Shed...a very lush region indeed naturally.
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The Verde River is the north and northwestern watershed of the Salt River–Verde River Watershed that co-join and enter the Gila River at Phoenix, Arizona located in the U.S. state of Arizona. It is approximately 170 mi (273.5 km) long and carries a mean flow of 1120 ft³/s (31.7 m³/s) at its mouth with the Salt River making it one of the largest perennial rivers within the state.
Further...Oak Creek winds it way through Sedona joining the Verde River (portion of this river in this region are designated wild and scenic by the US Gov.) just south of Sedona in a small German town of Cornville that is a quite lush area where these two great rivers converge on their trek to Phoenix and south to Tucson within the CAP.
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Oak Creek, a tributary of the Verde River, flows along the bottom of the canyon and is one of the few perennial streams in the high desert region of northern Arizona. Oak Creek is largely responsible for carving the modern Oak Creek Canyon although movement along the Oak Creek Fault, a 30 mile (48 km) long north-south normal fault line, is thought to have played a role as well.
Joined: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 1257 Location: Big Rock Candy Mountain
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona
Love northern AZ. Spent the summer of '71 in Jerome. I rented a room above the "Spirit Room"Bar. (I found out 30 years later that the long-closed "Liberty" Theatre next door contained a poster of the film "The Mummy" that sold for mucho $$$$). If I were rich, I'da moved to Sedona....
Joined: Jun 06, 2005 Posts: 1294 Location: the place where smartasses dwell
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona
Wow plants,I was wondering what happened,I almost never leave open discussion,I'm excited for you.You are having an actual adventure(I'm envious).I got a feeling you and some destiny are going to be bumping heads in the near future.Good Luck! _________________ It's the height of rudeness for the stretch polyester pants crowd to foist their tard version of Christ on talmudic scholars. But they don't get this, because they are, after all, extremely thick.----Threadbare
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 4189 Location: 1st territorial capitol of AZ
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: My Road Trip - Bay Area California to Northern Arizona
Actually I am trying to avoid any bumping heads with destiny - the destiny the Empire has in mind for those in debt (failed business like in my case etc.) is a lifetime in debtor's prison. So, I have had to move somewhere where I can live on very little money, since I wil be making very little money, probably for the rest of my life. I think the real crap, rounding up of those not "politically correct" which can mean simply not making enough money, is going to happen in the cities first. I was considering being homeless in the Sunnyvale area but they have enough homeless already.
I guess I will do my bankruptcy out here and try to stay out of the Empire's way. Maybe with some luck we'll have a real backlash against the credit card companies, with their 30% rates, mortgage co's with their 20% rates* etc.
*If you don't believe 20% rates on mortgages these days, read the fine print on yours.
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12734 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Ruling On California Water
Christian Science Monitor article detailing a ruling to cut back 30% of current water use from the Delta and how is affecting agriculture to save two endangered fish.
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After 35 years of hemming and hawing over how to fix the largest estuary in the Western Hemisphere – the sprawl of canals, levees, and flood plains that join the Golden State's two river systems – the state has been told by a federal judge that business-as-usual is now illegal.
My first reaction to this was in line with my former ways of thinking: this is stupid. This single judge is going to ruin California agriculture to save two fish species. But I now prefer not to take a story at face value. It's possible something else is also going on so I read on and try to see between the lines. The two fish have in all likelihood been endangered for a long time. So why now? They are going to put a lot of people out of work and hurt the California economy and put more upward pressure on food prices. Some would probably say this is just another Spotted Oil situation with one environmentally concerned judge putting the environment before commerce. The judge may also just be following the law and precedent. This is also very likely. But there could also be something else that weighed into this decision. The judge could also be reflecting the concerns of the elite decision makers. In other words, this isn't really just about the fish in the Delta. The word has come down that we have to eliminate certain water intensive agricultural practices, such as growing rice or raising livestock. The word has come down that the price of meat is going to have to rise until we quit eating so much of it. We have to do this because 600,000 people come here every year and we've had drought conditions. Something has to give, and for now that something is water intensive agriculture. This a very important decision that will have wide repercussions and I'm sure some very powerful people followed this closely. I would be interested to see the judge's phone records to see who he may have consulted with prior to handing down the decision.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water
People could learn how to grow food in a way which doesn't destroy watersheds to the point of endangering fish. Endangered fish now mean endangered people later on. We can't ignore the plight of these little guys and say "screw the fish, people are more important!" The fish and the people go together. So maybe, folks can learn agricultural practices and watershed management practices which will help both the fish and the people in the long run. It's possible, really!
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12734 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water
Ludi wrote:
It's possible, really!
Well this decision by the judge seems to follow a rational policy of reducing inappropriate kinds of agriculture given the pressures on the supply of fresh water. That's why I suspect this rationale of saving these two fish species is not the only factor in this rather drastic reduction of 30% of delta water for use in California.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Ruling On California Water
Is there any outreach or aid to help the farmers transitions to lower water use, or are they just going to be left to figure it out on their own?
"Stop doing what you're doing" isn't very helpful for people "Try these other methods and we'll help you" is more valuable, I think. Agencies and environmental groups get a bad rep for just telling people to stop what they're doing (stop making a living, often), without telling them about alternative practices whereby they can continue to make a living.
This is an issue that's going to have to be addressed in a powerdown, people must be given options on what to do next besides "go bankrupt and starve!"
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