Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12485 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Heineken wrote:
Interestingly, this theory directly contradicts what Olaf just said, and with which I also agree.
Aren't you the wishy washy one. If you are out there, in the woods, Heineken, all alone, with only us to to talk to, then I can perfectly understand why you are talking with us. I don't enjoy a wide circle of friends, as much as I would like to. I'm sociable by nature. My social contacts could be renewed if I just picked up the phone. But my personal disabilities have pretty much ruled the roost and not to my liking. But I do like this forum.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
PenultimateManStanding wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Interestingly, this theory directly contradicts what Olaf just said, and with which I also agree.
Aren't you the wishy washy one. If you are out there, in the woods, Heineken, all alone, with only us to to talk to, then I can perfectly understand why you are talking with us. I don't enjoy a wide circle of friends, as much as I would like to. I'm sociable by nature. My social contacts could be renewed if I just picked up the phone. But my personal disabilities have pretty much ruled the roost and not to my liking. But I do like this forum.
You and I are somewhat limited to text based communication for a variety of health reasons, PMS. Fortunately I'm somewhat introverted, so it doesn't bother me.
Returning to the negativity theme. There's no such thing as a negative emotion. Anger and sadness are part of the emotional tableau, all necessary for survival and to give texture and substance to what would otherwise be a rather tepidly cheery existence.
I'm apalled by the notion that fear, anger and sadness must always be approached as symptoms of some underlying disorder. They often seem to be a natural and healthy response to a morally depraved culture and sick world. Anyone who is well integrated and has adjusted themselves to the crap going on around them needs their head examined.
Negativity is different. This seems to be an outlook that filters all of reality through a dark lens, languishing in the dark, or worse, the void. Most people on this forum actually don't strike me as being profoundly negative, by nature, just reacting to an ugly set of circumstances.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6487 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Ditto for you guys. It's very unlikely I'll ever actually meet any of you, but anonymous "stage" names like pstarr, threadbear, Ludi, Shanny, coyote, and some others are permanently emblazoned on my brain as some of the really important people in my life. (PMS you freak, I haven't quite decided about you yet . . . just kidding.)
And Lord knows we all have disabilities of one sort or another. Because of a peripheral nerve disease (RSD), I lived without the use of my arms for an entire year, and in constant severe pain, and with no assurance that I'd ever recover. So I have some notion of what a permanent physical disability must be like.
My arms are all better now, miraculously, but I'm left with with the full slew of my mental and emotional difficulties. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12582 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
threadbear wrote:
Negativity is different. This seems to be an outlook that filters all of reality through a dark lens, languishing in the dark, or worse, the void. Most people on this forum actually don't strike me as being profoundly negative, by nature, just reacting to an ugly set of circumstances.
I often think there are many people here on the board who exhibit the above kind of negativity, but, like I say, this ay be my personal interpretation of what they're saying.
I agree with your comment that the world situation engenders, or should engender, feelings of anger, sadness, and frustration. It's the deliberate wallowing in those feelings that this thread is about. There's certainly reason to be angry and sad, but, for me, wallowing in it is counterproductive.
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12485 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Heineken wrote:
(Blush) . . . OK .
We're drifting off topic. Ludi doesn't approve of that. Oh, but I do love to laugh. But in honor of her topic, negativity is shite. I hate it. Realism is shite too, and I hate that even more. What I like is the folks who say that Peak Oil isn't coming for another 25 years. Yeah! That's what I want to hear.
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12485 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Resurrection wrote:
Wishing you all the best for the coming months,
Did you have to remind me? It's like a tooth ache that won't go away. I'm going to watch some movies and try to escape, for a little while. My son gave me the whole second season of Rome. Man that's some entertainment.
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1211 Location: Last outpost of Civilisation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Heineken wrote:
And Lord knows we all have disabilities of one sort or another.
Mwahhgggh. Is there anyone here that DOESN'T have a disability/difference of some sort??? (I have one too if you really need to have a mutual hugging-session.)
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5440 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Ludi wrote:
I often think there are many people here on the board who exhibit the above kind of negativity, but, like I say, this ay be my personal interpretation of what they're saying.
Maybe it seems more extreme than it actually is because many of the subjects we talk about on this board are so serious and depressing, simply by nature of the topic at hand. I don't spend most of my time off the forums thinking about dieoff, police states and such, even though I talk a lot about them on here. As far as why I bother to continue talking about those topics here, well, they are of concern, and there aren't too many folks in my daily life I can talk about them with. But I don't think I'm wallowing in negativity, though I have done so at times in my life. It's probably hard to know for certain in each case since many aspects of face to face communication are missing on message boards.
Also, for most people it's helpful to have our feelings validated and converse with others who don't think we're nuts, even if there's no pragmatic value in the conversation. And just having that done once won't fill that need forever, it's a recurring need as we have to muddle through all the denial and rejection we encounter out there in the world. So the virtual reflective listening we do for each other may serve a good purpose beyond just bitching and moaning, by helping us cope with reality. Does that make sense?
threadbear wrote:
Anyone who is well integrated and has adjusted themselves to the crap going on around them needs their head examined.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Heineken wrote:
It's very unlikely I'll ever actually meet any of you, but anonymous "stage" names like pstarr, threadbear, Ludi, Shanny, coyote, and some others are permanently emblazoned on my brain as some of the really important people in my life.
Thank you, that is mutual. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 3429 Location: Oh really?
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Why is negativity important to you?
Ludi wrote:
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So, let's discuss negativity and what it does for you, how it makes you feel better or whatever benefit you derive from it. Do you feel it helps you personally, or does it help others? Is it just a reflex or is it an intentional philosophy?...
I avoid negativity just like I've avoided this thread for the last two weeks.
I still wallow in it on a regular basis but I usually put a different label on it so it tastes better.
Which brings me back to avoiding this thread: doing so makes me feel like I'm winning!
I suppose in my case much of it is driven by reflex and my repackaging is intentional. (since I see it, and continue to do so, I must mean to . . . simple) _________________ "It's not demand; It's not supply.
It's coming up with credit to buy"
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