For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: Collective Burn Out from PO
As of now I'm recovering from burn out after dealing with a prolonged bad work situation and some troubles in my personal life. So anyway it made me more aware of where our limits are and that burnout is a real phenomenon when people are pushed too hard (as when emotional stress becomes overwhelming for a prolonged period of time). I really believe that PO or events stemming from it have the power to burn out vast segements of society. Curious how many of you have dealt with breakdowns or depressions resulting from being overloaded. Experiencing it really leads me to believe that a good portion of society will become frail when TSHTF (as I'm more conscious of the possibility for it within myself). _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
I strongly recommend these books to get any kind of gauge at all, as to what people CAN tolerate, how different personality types react to cultural paradigm shifts, economic deprivations, and war.
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4262 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
Get out of the city...town...village that imprisons you...
Ask a child how his world is...ask yourself how your world is...then hug the child.
Take a hike...ride a bike...
Grab a handful of soil and smell it...
Taste a leaf.
Listen to the cry of a desert dove after a summer rain.
Find the north star.
Feel the heart beat of the planet...it is a rythmic one...one that will bring you in and never let you go.
Laugh - loud...hard and often...
Cry - and then cry again.
It is all good bro! _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 3940 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
mmasters wrote:
As of now I'm recovering from burn out after dealing with a prolonged bad work situation and some troubles in my personal life. So anyway it made me more aware of where our limits are and that burnout is a real phenomenon when people are pushed too hard (as when emotional stress becomes overwhelming for a prolonged period of time). I really believe that PO or events stemming from it have the power to burn out vast segements of society. Curious how many of you have dealt with breakdowns or depressions resulting from being overloaded. Experiencing it really leads me to believe that a good portion of society will become frail when TSHTF (as I'm more conscious of the possibility for it within myself).
Yup, it got me - can't work anymore. Done. Oh well, I'll be 55 next year. Besides, being time rich is great...........
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
vision-master wrote:
mmasters wrote:
As of now I'm recovering from burn out after dealing with a prolonged bad work situation and some troubles in my personal life. So anyway it made me more aware of where our limits are and that burnout is a real phenomenon when people are pushed too hard (as when emotional stress becomes overwhelming for a prolonged period of time). I really believe that PO or events stemming from it have the power to burn out vast segements of society. Curious how many of you have dealt with breakdowns or depressions resulting from being overloaded. Experiencing it really leads me to believe that a good portion of society will become frail when TSHTF (as I'm more conscious of the possibility for it within myself).
Yup, it got me - can't work anymore. Done. Oh well, I'll be 55 next year. Besides, being time rich is great...........
Tell us more about what happened, if you're willing to V-Master.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
Well I am under a lot of pressure at the moment. I do a pretty fast paced high pressure job in the city and knowing it has no future means I have lost all motivation and it shows in my performance.
I will be telling my boss that I am quitting over the next couple of days and I will be moving back home some 150 miles away to start retraining for a job that might still be needed post-peak in a moderate scenario. Man peak oil is hard. So many uncertainties.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
mkwin wrote:
Well I am under a lot of pressure at the moment. I do a pretty fast paced high pressure job in the city and knowing it has no future means I have lost all motivation and it shows in my performance.
I will be telling my boss that I am quitting over the next couple of days and I will be moving back home some 150 miles away to start retraining for a job that might still be needed post-peak in a moderate scenario. Man peak oil is hard. So many uncertainties.
Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 881 Location: As close as I can get to the beginning of the pipe.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
Yup, right there with you MMasters. I'm in health care, and cumulative stress, some personal grief, a work setting with some bad actors and an agenda too far removed from peak oil values all contributed to my dropping out recently. Stress is a killer, and it is additive and cumulative. I see it over and over and over. The statistic that 80-90% of all illness is stress-linked or stress-related is pretty accurate.
Add to that the cognitive dissonance of knowing that either I'm an anachronism because of my quaint belief in peak oil or my job and lifestyle is the anachronism 'cause they just don't get it doesn't help. Better to get started with how I mean to go on now that this change is impending. At some point you need to make the transition, or at least start to make changes.
And frankly I'm making and saving more money now doing what I need to do in terms of LBYM, simple living, watching after my finances more carefully and anticipating changes, than when I was working one or more jobs and a mad stress-puppy. And the only way I've had the time to make the changes I needed to make was to drop out of the high-energy lifestyle. But dropout is only possible if you've stayed off the debt treadmill.
Your body generally will let you know about burnout before your brain does. It pays to listen.
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
mkwin wrote:
Well I am under a lot of pressure at the moment. I do a pretty fast paced high pressure job in the city and knowing it has no future means I have lost all motivation and it shows in my performance.
I will be telling my boss that I am quitting over the next couple of days and I will be moving back home some 150 miles away to start retraining for a job that might still be needed post-peak in a moderate scenario. Man peak oil is hard. So many uncertainties.
good luck mkwin. I hope the changes work for you, The ideal new job would earn money now to save for future investment and also lead to a new employment in a very different post-peak world. These are indeed becoming hard times. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6141 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
I am burned out from enduring the worst drought of my adult life. We have had only half an inch of rain here going back well into August, and it's running 5 to 10 degrees F warmer than "normal" each and every day. We went two whole weeks without even seeing a cloud. The sun is murderous. They're now calling for record highs in the 90s next week, which will be close to 20 degrees above normal. Our streams have dried up, our well is weakening, our forests are under severe stress, and fire looms. I've given up on some of my plantings, which are dying. There seems to be no end to this in sight.
If you're tied to the land in any way, a drought is absolutely the worst thing there is, except for a tornado, which at least is mercifully brief. A drought is slow torture, with ever-building pressure. I can well understand how drought-stricken farmers in Australia and India have been killing themselves rather than deal with it any longer.
I am burned out from taking care of two crazy, controling octogenarians, aka my parents. You talk about stress, mmasters!
Combine this personal stuff with what I know about PO, GW, the real economy, and the rest of it, and I'm feeling unusually gloomy. Wish I could do what roccman advises and just walk away, but it ain't that easy. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
Heineken wrote:
I am burned out from enduring the worst drought of my adult life. We have had only half an inch of rain here going back well into August, and it's running 5 to 10 degrees F warmer than "normal" each and every day. We went two whole weeks without even seeing a cloud. The sun is murderous. They're now calling for record highs in the 90s next week, which will be close to 20 degrees above normal. Our streams have dried up, our well is weakening, our forests are under severe stress, and fire looms. I've given up on some of my plantings, which are dying. There seems to be no end to this in sight.
If you're tied to the land in any way, a drought is absolutely the worst thing there is, except for a tornado, which at least is mercifully brief. A drought is slow torture, with ever-building pressure. I can well understand how drought-stricken farmers in Australia and India have been killing themselves rather than deal with it any longer.
I am burned out from taking care of two crazy, controling octogenarians, aka my parents. You talk about stress, mmasters!
Combine this personal stuff with what I know about PO, GW, the real economy, and the rest of it, and I'm feeling unusually gloomy. Wish I could do what roccman advises and just walk away, but it ain't that easy.
I left central Pennsylvania 15 years ago because I was tired of the drought. Of seeing stunted corn rows year after year. As you may well know I relocated to coastal California in Humboldt Co. This is a mild land of fog, cool summers, and wet winters. Well we are now feeling the same f*cking global warming you and everybody else is. The summers are clear and warm and the rains comes late now. Too late for forest mushrooms that I love. It has been a passion of mine to go deep into the forest and to discover and bring back exotic and edibles delights.
What is worse is the Douglas fir forest depends on a symbiotic relationship with specific fungus. Nutrients are passed back and forth from mycorrhizal mushroom webs (chanterelles, boletes, tan oak, etc.) and the roots of the fir tree. These trees are the economy here, though I would screw the economy to save the earth.
It is very sad to see such changes. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6374 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
Seems to me everyone here is talking about Working for Cash to buy Stuff stress.
I do some of that still; I have done that exclusively in the past and sweated through many shirts in the process.
I find doing work that benefits me solely is a great remedy to outside induced stress.
Burn out from PO seems to me the signal you are approaching PO in the wrong way if you think like I do that PO will be a long haul.
As well, thinking about what the other guy is gonna do then, should take a backseat to what you are thinking of doing now so you don't wind up as The Other Guy.
Just my thoughts… _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
mkwin wrote:
Well I am under a lot of pressure at the moment. I do a pretty fast paced high pressure job in the city and knowing it has no future means I have lost all motivation and it shows in my performance.
I will be telling my boss that I am quitting over the next couple of days and I will be moving back home some 150 miles away to start retraining for a job that might still be needed post-peak in a moderate scenario. Man peak oil is hard. So many uncertainties.
I can sympathize with that and there is another angle! Milk it for all it's worth get a second job too (Thats what im doing) and I feel great. Im earning more spending more and keeping busy stops me from getting too gloomy about the future.
Pay down your debts and enjoy life a bit more e.g. going out.
It just totally sucks to be a wage slave and I've just signed a new mortgage for an apartment luckily I was able to have some saved money and brought well so it's cheaper than rent.
Hope everything works out for you.
PS you can also buy freeze dried food including meat, vegetables, ice-cream that lasts 25 years. I'd suggest getting 12month supply of that stuff but keep it hush hush
Again all the best, _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12000 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
I have a feeling that the sadness will only increase as the bad news deepens. It's enough to make me wish I was a fundamentalist Christian and could believe The Rapture was approaching. I can't believe in such tales of course, but I can see how it might help to do so. But aside from that, one of the issues that bothers me is the uncertainty that won't go away. We've got data posted at the oildrum saying oil production peaked already in 2005. And we've got ASPO saying peak will occur in 2011. Dammit, I need to know, which is it? _________________ Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Collective Burn Out from PO
PenultimateManStanding wrote:
I have a feeling that the sadness will only increase as the bad news deepens. It's enough to make me wish I was a fundamentalist Christian and could believe The Rapture was approaching. I can't believe in such tales of course, but I can see how it might help to do so. But aside from that, one of the issues that bothers me is the uncertainty that won't go away. We've got data posted at the oildrum saying oil production peaked already in 2005. And we've got ASPO saying peak will occur in 2011. Dammit, I need to know, which is it?
That's the problem isn't it. The uncertainty. Not knowing. That place between heaven and hell.
I keep expecting the MSM and the stooopid public to discover peak oil. I guess I secretly hope that the realization will shake people up and they will at least react. And then I can carry on an intelligent conversation with my friends. They want to talk about work, movies, music, crops, economy and all I want to do is scream "peak oil, you f@ckin numbnuts." But that gets you nowhere fast.
Everybody is too wrapped up in tv, cars, and appleby's to bother. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
(Thats what im doing) and I feel great. Im earning more spending more and keeping busy stops me from getting too gloomy about the future.
