Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green
Jevon's paradox doesn't hold when considering a commodity that is decreasing in supply. It assumes a constant supply and no external pressures that would increase cost.
Oil supplies are going to decrease. Demand is going to increase (at least in the short/mid term). The few countries that do have significant amounts of oil are going to crank up the price to what the market will bear.
Forget Jevon and all his doxes. He's just a smoke screen thrown up by the severely pessimistic.
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green
Jeavons is a bitter bill to swallow. The injustice is unbearable for the well intentioned self deniers and almost as bad for the greedy who always benefit from the tragedy of the commons.
You Wallace and Yesplease are both disasssembling.
Yesplease you made a blanket statement that ignores the defintion you presented. How does the definition imply that "ever increasing resource availability is the only way Jevon's Paradox can always apply" Rather greater efficiency can overtake modest declines.
Bob Wallace see above. Greater efficiency can overtake modest declines and Jeavon's remains applicable. what about your argument counters pessimism? _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green
pstarr wrote:
Yesplease you made a blanket statement that ignores the defintion you presented. How does the definition imply that "ever increasing resource availability is the only way Jevon's Paradox can always apply" Rather greater efficiency can overtake modest declines.
Jevons Paradox...
Quote:
In economics, the Jevons Paradox is an observation made by William Stanley Jevons, who stated that as technological improvements increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, total consumption of that resource may increase, rather than decrease.
So, if efficiency increases, consumption may increase. However, in order for the consumption per day to increase, we need to get more of it. According to the peak in any supply, we can't get more of it. So, no matter what happens post peak in terms of efficiency, because of the peak, we can't consume more than we did at peak. Jevons Paradox can only apply up to the peak in any resource and it is about consumption, how much we use per day, compared to efficiency. It doesn't matter if we increase our efficiency of use one hundred times post peak, we can never consume more than we did at peak.
If you wanna start pstarrs paradox, and go into whatever you're talking about, feel free. But you're not talking about Jevons Paradox. _________________
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: 13 easy, inexpensive ways to go green
yesplease I find it difficult to discuss technical issues with someone obsessed with my mother's bosom. It is not a healthy relationship (my mother is no spring chicken) and I think you should resolve your oedipal complex before we resume. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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