The True History of the Bilderberg Group

virgincrude

From the author's web site Daniel Estulin dot com:

"The Bilderberg Club is not a secret society. Nor is it a matter of a new conspiracy theory regarding world domination. The Bilderberg Club is utterly real and tangible. It exists as an official institution and several articles have been written about it. World renowned BBC, for instance, has given it some coverage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/ pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/27/bilderberg.shtml). Nevertheless, in more than fifty years of meetings that bring together unprecedented power and money in the same time and place, never has any information been leaked as to what subjects were debated during the Bilderberg Club meetings. The press has never been allowed in, and no statements have ever been released on the attendees’ conclusions nor has any agenda for a Bilderberg meeting been made public.

More than a center of influence, The Bilderberg Club is a shadow world government, which decides in total secrecy at annual meetings how their plans are to be carried out.

THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE BILDERBERG CLUB goes inside the secret meetings and sheds light on why a group of politicians, businessmen, bankers and mighty individuals formed the world’s most powerful society. It was Benjamin Disraeli, England’s Prime Minister, who noted that, “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”

And what I've been thinking since starting the book (not yet done):

I’ve been obsessed with Peak Oil and the impending economic gloom and depression for three years now. It has been ‘publicised’ as an ‘exclusive’s’ perk: very few of us got to know about it at first, and quickly formed a kind of club of ‘those in the know’. Gradually it has become more mainstream, but in a way which still makes those of us with early awareness feel smug and superior because ‘we’ve seen the future,’ and it stinks.

But what if this was all designed? The best possible advertising campaign of all time. Not aimed at advertising actually Peak Oil, but at a far more sinister and insidious goal, a kind of psy-ops mind bending advertising campaign of the most complex kind: the guarranteed feeling of exclusivity, superiority, coupled with a human desire to share and forewarn. Thus serving several aims: provoking fear and dread to an extent that some will eventually take their own lives, others will prevent the previously desired creation of new ones; instilling a permanent sense of anticipation, yet noting only minor changes in every day life which nevertheless can be used to confirm the horrid truth and maintain the gloom and thus subconsciously lead one to certain choices and decisions
(not to buy a car, not to take that trip, not to use that credit card so much, therefore simply aiding the imminent collapse of the growth economy but of course convinced this is in fact a good move at least in terms of environmental impact.)

Of course, those changes in every day life are far more drastic in the ‘developing’ world. But they’re nice and removed from us ‘first world’ dwellers and we feel the customary pangs of guilt and pity, and reach for the donation tin. The members of the Bilderberg Club, the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations all desire the destruction of the growth economy, the unification of regions such as the Americas, the European Union and the Asiatic and Pacific regions, the introduction of a single currency, global taxes and one global government. How can you ensure the destruction of this ‘free market’?

Peak Oil may not have been programmed by the elite members of these all powerfull all controlling groups, but who is to say, after reading this book, that they did not take the predictions seriously and plan accordingly, and that we are in fact living out their designs and things are going quite according to plan, so far?

Carlhole · Knight of the Realm Joined: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 3137

I guess it seems quite natural and predictable that as population increases, technology advances, communications become incredibly sophisticated, etc. that smaller groups (tribes) join with larger ones (city-states) which in turn join into larger organizations of people (nations) which in turn fold into larger organized economic systems (co-prosperity spheres), etc., etc. , etc.

This has been showing all the signs of an exponential function ever since the agricultural revolution began it 10,000 years ago. If the energy to do it holds out, then, no doubt, there will eventually be a world government. It's just the nature of the beast (humanity).

So that part of The Bilderberg function is not a mystery. It has to do with our world becoming more closely joined together due to technological advances and greater levels of complex cooperation and standardization. That's a pretty old story.

So, the second aspect of your post deals with the supposed possibility of the Peak Oil Theory being a hoax perpetrated by the elites to advance their one-world government sooner than it would ordinarily happen? Then they want to stop the growth economy after they achieve their one-world thing? And they're going to do this by hiding all the mega-giant oil fields that would be otherwise found and developed were it not for their perfidy?

This global crap would happen higgledy-piggledy anyway given plenty of energy and resources. How come The Bilderbergers are in such a rush? Where's the fire? And how do they think they are going to keep the world hanging together as one if there is no economic reason to do so? If there is somehow a no growth economy after the one-world thing is achieved - what for? You envision some sort of futuristic Pharoah who collects all the taxes and uses a ruthless Palace Guard to whip us poor peons into line when we step out?

Those Bilderberger books always seem to conflate a third-rate Biblical/ Satanic /Prophecy trip with trends in world economic development. They always have a surreal mythological air to them.

Why should I give a damn if the world will eventually have a single currency, with a global government and global taxes? As long as the Global Constitution protected its citizens rationally and people remained free to do what they do best, why the Fark not?

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TWilliam · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 1705

virgincrude

Carlhole, where did I say Peak Oil was a hoax? Where does it say the Bilderbergers will form the one world government and THEN stop the growth economy? Do you know anything at all about the United Nations and it’s eventual deployment as THE one world government? You can see the economic slow-down has begun already, Peak Oilers are convinced there shall be no recovery from this one, at least not back to what we’ve known for the past 70 years of continuous growth/decline economic cycles. I have not read any of the books you mention which combine the third rate Biblical Satanic stuff a la Golem. This book is not one of those, it deals only with the historic evidence providing proof of CFR and Bilderberg control behind practically every political maneuver during the past 70 years. I agree the web pages dedicated to the Bilderberg group often look hideously amateur and geeky and put you off by associating all that mythological crap. Ever thought this might be a tactic of ‘subvertizing’? Make enough people wary of getting close to a theory and the theory will remain in the geeky underworld.

One which thankfully avoids such third-rate design is www.americanfree press.net

“Why should I give a damn if the world will eventually have a single currency, with a global government and global taxes? As long as the Global Constitution protected its citizens rationally and people remained free to do what they do best, why the Fark not?” -Obviously you’ve read nothing at all of any substance on the CFR, Trilateral Commission or Tavistock Institution. All working for the Bilderberger ideals and goals.

Have you noticed what’s happening within your country?
Who Will Rule Us After the Next 9/11?
THE REALITY OF NSPD-51 IS ALMOST AS BAD AS THE PARANOIA.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/id/2176185/pagenum/all/#page_start

The CFR’s psycho-political operations have ensured we are all perfectly happy with the situation as it is and will practically welcome with open arms the subversion of all nation-state constitutions in the name of a single constitution which keeps all of humanity where the elite want them; i.e working for them. Most of the work done by the Tavistock has ensured the majority of the developed world is too preoccupied by the daily stress of life to bother with conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories have been converted into today’s alternative amusement. We are penned in by chaos (geopolitical, financial, social) we feel isolated from the machinations of our elected representatives, we are demoralised, lack self esteem (oh, what the Fark should I care?) and react with confusion when confronted by choices. We are ripe for the apparition of a messiah who will lead us all to peace and prosperity, guarranteeing an ordered society without violence, drugs, child prostitution, pornography, hunger, poverty, wars and suffering, guarranteeing a harmonious society.

Except that this harmonious society under the longed for order of a one world government, devours your individual rights, independent thought, and human rights. Non-conformists shall be rounded up into one of the 600 concentration camps already existing in the U.S.A. With microchips implanted at birth and no cash to carry, your entire life shall be mapped out for you, another number within the system, and despite the fact that you shall appear to have democratic process (like the Iraqi’s who voted ‘freely’ for a prearranged government, like you who ended up with G.W Bush by dint of a judicial vote from the mouths of pre-ordained judges, like us Europeans who in the end have been prevented from voting for or against our impenetrable new Constitution,) despite the fact that you will feel happy with your lot, it is not YOUR choice.

Anyway, unless and until you read this particular book, there’s no point arguing with you.

TWilliam · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 1705

virgincrude

Okay, so that's at least two of you willing and happy to submit to Big Brother.

"More than a few have made very convincing arguments that it's 'individual rights' and 'independent thought' that are largely responsible for the converging catastrophes we will soon be facing."- of course they have, you simply haven't thought that perhaps they too were spreading the propaganda.

In 2003, Pepe Escobar wrote:
"The Bilderberg mingles central bankers, defense experts, press barons, government ministers, prime ministers, royalty, international financiers and political leaders from Europe and America. Guests this year, along with Rumsfeld and Perle (US Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is also a member) included banker David Rockefeller, as well as various members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Queen Sofia and King Juan Carlos of Spain, and high officials of assorted governments. The Bilderberg does not invite - or accept - Asians, Middle Easterners, Latin Americans or Africans.

Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg, in their view, to polish and reinforce a virtual consensus, an illusion that globalization, defined under their terms - what's good for banking and big business is good for everybody else - is inevitable and for the greater good of mankind. If they have a hidden agenda, it is the fact that their fabulous concentration of wealth and power is completely dissociated from the explanation to their guests of how globalization benefits 6.2 billion people. Some of the club's earlier guests went on to become crucial players. Bill Clinton in 1991 and Tony Blair in 1993 were invited and duly "approved" by the Bilderberg before they took office.

There are innumerable shady, still unexplained connections between the early Bilderberg club and the Nazis, via Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the father of Queen Beatrix, who founded the club in Bilderberg in 1954 (the name is taken from a Dutch hotel), aiming to "increase understanding between Europe and North America". Bernhard was a member of Adolf Hitler's SS. One of the founding members of the Bilderberg is Otto Wolff von Amerongen - who actively improved business links between Germany and the Soviet bloc and served on 26 boards of directors, including Deutsche Bank. Few people know him - and perhaps for some good reason: he has been linked to the Nazi's theft of Jewish holdings before and during World War II."

I suggest you read the book, since discussing its contents is impossible unless you do so.

TWilliam · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 1705

virgincrude

TWilliam, me, jumping to conclusions?

Have you read the book?

Because that's what we're supposed to be discussing. I give you an overview of what's to be found out by reading it, (obviously my opinion) and two people reply, basically refuting my opinion on the basis of their own, not on the basis of having read the same evidence. If you can't be bothered, or don't have time, or are not interested in reading the book, you are voluntarily maintaining your current mind-set and whatever opinion you have formed. The book offers several jarring versions of history (amply backed with evidence) which directly contradict our perceived, established views. It challenges your assumptions on current events to such an extent, that it can make you permanently suspicious of every 'official' story, even those which appear to contain a grain of truth, such is the extent and complexity of the manipulation carried out by the subservient, controlled, media, historians, opinion-makers etc.,

Be aware many of our assumptions of free thought, and the information that makes up our minds for us, is manipulated in order to achieve a certain result. One of those results is the evident 'double thinking' you're engaging in, by comparing the idea of an omnipresent One World Government, with the evident break down of society and cultural disintegration. A lovely argument for those seeking to control all of us: look what 'our freedoms' have done for us: wars, paedophilia, cancer, racism! The basic argument here, is unless someone reigns us all in, we'll end up destroying ourselves and the planet: classic Bilderberger/Tavistock mind propaganda. Who is to have that responsibility? At the moment, your voting powers have been so controlled and reduced that no matter who you vote in power, to look after your 'interests', is ultimately only going to do what is right for those who control him/her. They are ALL Bilderbergers, or CFR members, or Trilateralists. What's wrong with that? read the book.

I agree there can be no freedom without limits. I do not agree that some third party I don't get to vote for, in some globalised burocracy decides everything for me, including just what freedom's I can enjoy. These people already control what news you get, what entertainment you get, what your children study, and do you control, say, what your bank does with your money? What freedoms do you really have?

TWilliam · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 1705

virgincrude

Indee TWilliam, I am ready to accept Anarchy (if one bothered to actually know what it means) in replacement for any fascist kind of all controlling world government, any time.

I also agree completely that society in general is not going to accept that alternative, partly because of the ignorance I share with them over what exactly Anarchy would involve. I am suspicious that it would be a far more 'organic' society than any we have so far allowed to form. i.e better than the economy based set up we have rigged for ourselves.

My problem with the idea that they may indeed be working with humanity's best interests in mind is that I know of no person, group, political doctrine nor organisation which can be entirely trusted with that monumental concept. In humanity's best interests ... hmm. I think that's what religion is there for, no?

In any case, as you say, we require a psychological and emotional maturation simply to deal with Peak Oil, let alone a New World Order. So we're pretty much Fark which ever way you look at it.

Carlhole · Knight of the Realm Joined: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 3137

I'm reading Peter Dale Scott's "The Road To 911: Wealth, Empire and The Future Of America" right now.

So far, his book presents a thesis that, at least within America, there is indeed an "overworld" to use his term. And I would agree that there IS an overworld, a "deep-state" as distinct from a "public-state". I don't believe that the POTUS is the most powerful man in the world. Power is usually held by factions of which the POTUS and more visible politicians are products.

But the overworld as presented by Scott is one of intensely competing factions and views - which accords with my own understanding of human beings' behavior in groups. And the historical record referenced by Scott is solid tangible rock compared to the speculative treatment usually given The Bilderberger or The Illuminati authors.

Books on the complex machinations of the international super-elite cannot include any sort of microscopic, detailed historical underpinning because The Bilderberger conferences, and cooperative operations they jointly perform elsewhere, if any,are secret.

The authors of books about the Illuminati, etc can only talk about macroscopic events such as the 1973 Arab-Israeli War and the subsequent rapid rise in oil prices, for example. They will interpret that macroscopic history from their own presumptions about the super-elite's ostensible purposes. But they cannot back up their claims with detailed history.

So, any reader of that stuff is forced into a realm of speculation that cannot be tested or investigated or properly evaluated. One is left merely with raised antennnas and a suspicion of authority - something that's quite obtainable reading more standard stuff.

On a gut level, I have to wonder what has happened to the normal human tendency to compete and form intransigent factions which viciously compete with one another for power, money and control? And if these elites have found a way to conduct human affairs in perfect harmonious agreement, all the time, with nary a peep of contentious debate leaking out into the public, then they indeed must be some alien-human hybrid species! Human Beings simply never fail to fight over power even within a particular party or corporation.

I think that The Bilderberger conferences are annual events in which prominent, influential people throughout the world get together without the hassle of the press reporting on them - so that they can express ideas freely without having to answer to their constituencies or watchdog groups for each little verbal infraction.

If the press were allowed to attend these events, each member would have to put on their Harlequin public face, or censor themselves drastically, or not attend at all.

So the only argument any of The Bilderberger authors really bring to bear, is that this conference ought to be declared illegal based on arbitrary speculative fears.
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virgincrude

Carlhole, you are once again jumping to conclusions. Just because every book you’ve ever read about the Bilderbergs has included mere speculation does not mean that this particular book is the same. The author has been investigating the Bilderberg meetings for 12 years and presents plenty of ‘solid tangible rock’ evidence to support the theory of global plans.

Almost all prominent members of mainstream media in the US are either members of the CFR or the TC. In fact, Estulin's research reveals that "the Council on Foreign Relations creates and delivers psycho-political operations by manipulating people's reality through a 'tactic of deception', placing Council members on both sides of an issue. The deception is complete when the public is led to believe that its own best interests are being served while the CFR policy is being carried out."

No one could have said it better than David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, a Bilderberg member and board member of the Council On Foreign Relations in his Memoirs:

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure-one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Unlike books on the Illuminati or other super-elite you can think of, this book details and quotes extensively from historic records such as interviews, national security releases, and the accounts of those themselves involved. You assume the secrecy of the Bilderberg meetings is based on some almost supernatural ability to keep a secret. There’s nothing supernatural about it all, once you understand the network of control involving ALL major media. The press are invited to the Bilderberg meetings (rather, the owners or editor-in-chief such as Murdoch, Berlusconi, Conrad Black, and a surprising string of mainstream US TV journalists) on the understanding that nothing they discuss shall be made public. The meetings are conducted in a series of separate round table discussions, members from each then going on to form different discussion groups on a set agenda of topics. These meetings generally serve the purpose of keeping the ultimate goal hidden from immediate scrutiny by most of the participants, who are invariably guided towards a particular conclusion, which then becomes ‘policy’.

An example of what can happen to journalists who breach the code of silence:
In the 'Lombard' column of the Financial Times, C. Gordon Tether wrote on May 6 1975: 'If the Bilderberg Group is not a conspiracy of some sort, it is conducted in such a way as to give a remarkably good imitation of one.' In a column written almost a year later, for the March 3 l976 edition, Tether wrote: 'The Bilderbergers have always insisted upon clothing their comings and goings in the closest secrecy. Until a few years back, this was carried to such lengths that their annual conclave went entirely unmarked in the world's press. In the more recent past, the veil has been raised to the extent of letting it be known that the meetings were taking place. But the total ban on the reporting of what went on has remained in force....Any conspiratologist who has the Bilderbergers in his sights will proceed to ask why it is that, if there is so little to hide, so much effort is devoted to hiding it.'
This column never appeared: it was censored by the Financial Times editor Mark Fisher (himself a member of the Trilateral Commission), and Tether was finally dismissed from the 'Lombard' column in August 1976.

You said: “I think that The Bilderberger conferences are annual events in which prominent, influential people throughout the world get together without the hassle of the press reporting on them - so that they can express ideas freely without having to answer to their constituencies or watchdog groups for each little verbal infraction.” –
Well done, that’s EXACTLY what they want you to think.

Elite organizations like the Council on Foreign relations and the Bilderberg, covert players like M16, CIA and NSA, and the dual role Secret Service, the World Trade Organization, World Bank and International Monetary fund, the private global financial/banking system - all these are influential, powerful elements of the System. Critically important to them all, is the media as formal propaganda and information control system.

Founder member of the Bilderberg and CFR David Rockerfeller said:
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."- David Rockefeller Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

“Our plans for the world”- what right does a world class BANKER have to decide and plan on the future of the WORLD?

This subservient media is now feeding all of us the version of events which the CFR and Bilderbergers WANT us to receive.
Your opinions (like mine) are formed by information gathered and exchanged, it is very unlikely that you suspect your opinions are actually the result of subtle manipulation, just as public opinion is the result of manipulation planned and carried out by the Council on Foreign Relations and sister groups. Did you know that from 1928-1972 every single President of the United States has been a member of the CFR, or administrations (such as Regan’s) made up of 313 members of the CFR? Do you know, or care what the CFR do/have done, or perhaps the fact that you don’t get to vote on who is a member of the CFR doesn’t bother you either, because surely, they’re only looking after your best interests, hmm?