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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is a thread about the possibility of an US recession like in the 1930ths, which would mean a worldwide recession.
How likely is this going to happen? One article said that the expected recession will occur within 6 month.

How would be the influence on the oil depletion of a really deep recession or one like in the 70th , 2000? the price of crude is easing yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote



Past recessions (1990, 1998, and 2001) as you can see have only led to flat production or a small short drop in production but things are flat already. If we have a sharp recession then it could reduce market tightness for perhaps just 1-2 or 3 at most years - by then it's likely the geological decline woul be setting in, rising the price sharply. So a recession won't do much, in fact it will likely be the last recession we ever have.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

yull wrote:

Past recessions (1990, 1998, and 2001) as you can see have only led to flat production or a small short drop in production but things are flat already. If we have a sharp recession then it could reduce market tightness for perhaps just 1-2 or 3 at most years - by then it's likely the geological decline woul be setting in, rising the price sharply. So a recession won't do much, in fact it will likely be the last recession we ever have.


Or we could have a series of recessions and upswings with each recession a little tighter than before as our energy supplies dwindle.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Concerned wrote:
yull wrote:

Past recessions (1990, 1998, and 2001) as you can see have only led to flat production or a small short drop in production but things are flat already. If we have a sharp recession then it could reduce market tightness for perhaps just 1-2 or 3 at most years - by then it's likely the geological decline woul be setting in, rising the price sharply. So a recession won't do much, in fact it will likely be the last recession we ever have.


Or we could have a series of recessions and upswings with each recession a little tighter than before as our energy supplies dwindle.


To quote Heinberg in End of Suburbia: "Each recession will be worse than the previous one and people will ask why this is. This will happen until the recession turns into an economic depression."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic31163.html+effects

We discussed the US effects in this thread. The "global effects" might or might not be similar.

Currently, the US is consuming about 1/4 of the world's energy.

In the recessionary period between 1979 and 1982, there were a couple of other things going on at the time: big increase in interest rates (choking off the economy) and also implementation of fuel efficiency standards in the US. If you would have just had the recession rather than the other two things, there is some question in my mind as to whether there would have been as big of a decline.

Even though the sky is falling, the stock traders are panicking, the banks are closing down, etc. as of last week, the US fuel consumption was still up over last year at the same time.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is a difference this time. Past recessions have always had the luxury of abundant energy with which to pull ourselves back to growth. Not this time.

If TPTB allow the US to slide into recession, given our high level of debt and the ubiquitous nature of the dollar, a worldwide depression will inevitably follow.

Central banks the world over will do everything in their power to avoid even the hint of recession. Seems they’ve all taken the lead from Greenspan/Bernanke; print more dollars (yen, pound, rubles, etc.) and lower interest rates. We ani’t seen notin’ yet.

The economy is being managed to the best of their ability. Like the small boy trying hold back the sea with a finger, eventually the sea wins. When it washes over us, not even the rich will survive.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: how will US (worldwide) recession affect oil depletion? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mark wrote:
There is a difference this time. Past recessions have always had the luxury of abundant energy with which to pull ourselves back to growth. Not this time.


this is a great point. i suspect that future decline economists will gain a whole lot of insight on the real fundamentals of the old expansion economy by witnessing what dynamics changed or even inverted in the new paradigm. too little too late, however.

economists divorce their analysis of "cyclical" business patterns from significant underlying causes of those cycles. they have been able to assume, for instance, this relative wealth of resources that automatically accumulates in recessionary periods. but they will make an ass out of u and me after peak.

i have heard theories that without the plague there would have been no renaissance. all of those people dying freed up enough wealth for the pace of toil to ease a bit.
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