Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge (New Leader)
I propose a contest to see who can predict most accurately the crude oil price for 2008.
Reason: Entertainment value, also because it is one thing to ridicule one of these pesky analysts for making a prediction you do not necessarily agree with, and it is quite another to make one for yourself.
Rules:
1. Anyone can participate. Everyone can only enter once. There is no charge to enter. Side bets are encouraged, however.
2. Each participant is to make three guesses: The high, the low, and the closing price on December 31, 2008. We will use the following spreadsheet from the EIA as the official price:
We will use the Cushing OK NYMEX Futures Contract #1 from this table. Note that this only gives daily closing prices, not interday prices, for those who wish to factor this into your calculations.
Winners will be determined as soon as they post the December 31 price, which will be a few days into 2009.
3. I will be the official tabulator. Entries will be allowed until January 7, 2008. You can edit your entry if you want, before then, but I will record the official entries at that point. Maybe I can get the moderators to lock this thread or something.
4. The winner in each category (high, low and close) will be regarded with reverence, and generally declared to have superior intellect and/or clairvoyant powers, and get abundant respect from the fellow forum dwellers. Nothing bad will happen if you are wrong.
5. Feel free to use this thread to record the oil price predictions of some of the industry experts that might appear in the media in one form or another. I will record these as well, for reference purposes.
6. Other rules will be made up as we go.
7. Note that per the above, anyone who puts down a prediction has moral superiority and has extra artistic license to critique the predictions of any of the industry or media experts, at least for the next year. Also, feel free to include whatever your forecasting method, logic, or theory is, if you have one.
Let the forecasting begin!
Last edited by pup55 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:05 am; edited 17 times in total
The first forecast is from the US EIA, a taxpayer funded agency of the Federal Government. This is their current 2008 forecast from the Short Term Energy Outlook.
They have forecasted the "imported crude oil price" so I have calculated the red line, which is an adjustment based on the current WTI price differential.
But you can see their theory: Oil prices will decline steadily throughout the year, and be about $73 by December.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
What the heck, I am too opinionated NOT to participate
High price 2008, $166.23
Average price 2008, $123.77
Low price 2008, $82.30
Method intuition aka WAG. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
2008 Low: 88.40
2008 High: 132.66
2008 Close: 118.04
method...total guesswork - a series of random predictions that leads to approximately 15% compound growth over the next decade.
My guess for 2007 was way low (but better than the "experts"):
2007 low: 49.5 (actual 51.13)
2007 high 78.25 (actual so far 98.1
2007 close 73.5 (actual so far 90.49)
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
Quote:
A new report from Citigroup raises the firm’s outlook for oil and natural gas prices, saying “traditional fundamentals remain displaced by an increasingly short-term technical model with refining and financial interest.”
Citigroup raised its long-term forecast for crude oil to $60/barrel from $55 and that for natural gas to $7.50 per thousand cubic feet from $7.
Reuters reports that Citigroup also adjusted its 2008 WTI oil forecast to $70/barrel from $60. For 2009, it has a price forecast of $65/barrel.
"A run at $90 is now seen as reasonable," Citigroup analysts said in a note.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
Low: $87.86
High: $142.92
Close: $123.83 _________________ I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. They block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God. - Rabia
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
Okay, I will bite, even though it steals a bit of thunder from my annual poll in Trader's Corner.
High $137.22
Low $80.42
Closing Price $99.29 _________________ The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
Quote:
"Next year, we will probably be in a range of $80 to $85 a barrel," says Rick Mueller, an analyst with Energy Security Analysis of Wakefield, Mass. "And if the US goes into a recession, the price forecast will be lower."
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
high: 145.32
Low: 82.63
close: 115.55
Method: crumpled up various pieces of christmas wrapping paper with numbers written on them. draw them at random. type conclusions here.
I learned this method from an energy analyst that I ran into at a bar. I got him juiced up and then asked him how the big boys come to their predictions.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
pup55 wrote:
Quote:
"Next year, we will probably be in a range of $80 to $85 a barrel," says Rick Mueller, an analyst with Energy Security Analysis of Wakefield, Mass. "And if the US goes into a recession, the price forecast will be lower."
Inflation alone will keep it near $100. Economy goes into a tail-spin? Guess what? That means that gov't revenues go down (but spending won't), pushing inflation even higher, ensuring high nominal (and relative) prices of oil. _________________ I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. They block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God. - Rabia
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
pup55 wrote:
4. The winner in each category (high, low and close) will be regarded with reverence, and generally declared to have superior intellect and/or clairvoyant powers, and get abundant respect from the fellow forum dwellers. Nothing bad will happen if you are wrong.
Excellent!! Finally an opportunity to get some long overdue respect on this board.
Puker up my peeps here are the digits...
High - $600
Low - $95
Close price - $475
PM me for other predictions...I take pay pal. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: The 2008 PO.com Oil Price Challenge
I was just looking here, which shows that current prices are 50% higher than last year at this time. Who am I to argue with the trend?
High: $175 (sometime in May)
Low: $89 (in January or February)
Close: $145
We're going into 70's style stagflation, world wide. All the signs are there, even Zeppelin might be doing a tour! Maybe this time I'll get to see them. _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
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