Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
Back in May when I first took notice of the man I wrote in this forum:
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As a socialist/environmentalist, I can't really get behind the hardcore libertarian agenda. Ron Paul still kicks ass though. He's pretty much the anti-politician in my view - a straight talker that cuts through the sound bite bullshit is like a fresh wind in politics, and perhaps even more so in American politics.
It's sad to see how he gets chewed up by the establishment for daring to do something as outrageous as speaking a little truth about 911/War on Terra. He holds plenty of nutty convictions that would be easier to critique without coming across like a delusional tool (Giuliani!), but that's a different story.
Paul has got balls though, and he refuses to back down. This earns him bucket loads of respect from me, even if his fundamental views on what government's role in society ought to be differs greatly from my own.
With this previous entry in mind it's interesting how much dislike I have these days for all things RONPAUL2008 rLOVEution BLIMP GOLDSTANDARD VAGINADOCTOR. Since Paul himself is pretty much a human constant and my own way of thinking hasn't changed significantly since May, I primarily blame his grassroot supporters for my change of heart. Paultards, Paulsies, RonPaulogists - whatever you wanna call them - are the most annoying group of people ever on the internet, and that says a lot. Pauls overly vocal, constantly trolling and spamming fans soil their hero with their zealotry much like religious freaks of all creeds do with theirs.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
nemo wrote:
Paultards, Paulsies, RonPaulogists - whatever you wanna call them - are the most annoying group of people ever on the internet, and that says a lot. Pauls overly vocal, constantly trolling and spamming fans soil their hero with their zealotry much like religious freaks of all creeds do with theirs.
I call him 'The Pope' and they are inquisitors.
Whenever I watch leftist movies on youtube there is always someone posting "Ron Paul R3volution" spam _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! _________________ I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. They block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God. - Rabia
Barack Obama, now the media's odds-on favorite to win the White House, is drawing effusive praise from the chattering classes.
"You'd have to have a heart of stone not to be moved by this. . . . This is a huge moment," one commentator wrote.
An unreconstructed liberal? An African American hungering for a racial breakthrough? No, it was David Brooks, the conservative New York Times columnist, and he's got plenty of company on the right.
The media overall are being swept up by a wave of Obamamania, in which normally hard-bitten journalists watch the orator in action and come away dazzled by his gifts. A New York Times piece Saturday compared the Illinois senator to JFK and Martin Luther King in the same paragraph. A Newsweek cover story out yesterday gushed that Obama, "tall and handsome and blessed with a weighty baritone, knows how to bring along a crowd while seeming to stay slightly above it." The journalistic scrutiny usually visited on instant front-runners has been replaced by something akin to a standing ovation.
What's more, the applause extends even to pundits on the right, many of whom routinely denigrate Democratic politicians and yet are strikingly warm toward Obama. There is gratitude, to be sure, that he seems poised to knock off their longtime bete noire, Hillary Clinton -- especially if he wins today's New Hampshire primary -- but also admiration for his inclusive approach to politics and for his sheer talent.
"Who's not proud of this kid?" says Amanda Carpenter, national political reporter for the conservative site Townhall.com. "He has a story people feel good about."
Amazing. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
The CFR and the military industrial complex have long tentacles, and they are doing their damndest to make sure that their gravy train doesn't stop running.
There is but one candidate with any chance of winning this election who is not part of their game, and they are likewise doing their damnedest to make sure his message is not heard, hence he is known as an "internet phenomenon".
The good Dr. has cured my apathy, and whether he wins or not, he seems to be waking people up to the painful truth about our government and their propaganda machine.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
Let's hear it for US troops staying in Iraq for 100 years. Let's hear for inflation! Let's hear it for big government and unsustainable deficits. let's hear it for the CFR and AIPAC! let's send our troops into Pakistan and Iran! Let's hear it for unlimited government surveillance! Freedom is authority (thanks Rudy).
Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!
Yep, that Ron Paul really is crazy huh? What kind of nut-job wouldn't approve of those things?
What scares me is that people don't recognize the integrity of the man and the truth in his message. I guess they don't have time to read anything and like their opinions served up to them by the media. Ignorance of the issues is no reason for ad-hominems.
When people support the other candidates in this election, they seem to be supporting all the things listed in the first paragraph.
On freerepublic.com I wouldn't be surprised. But here of all places?
Yes, the internets never cease to amaze!
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Perhaps conservatives see Obama as easier to beat than Clinton. A lot of people I know, are suspicious of Obama's patriotism. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
Where are ad hominems roy? Find it!
If someone is anti-war it doesn't mean people will buy his full agenda. That's all, only small part of anti-war oppostion comes from libertarian groups.
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When people support the other candidates in this election, they seem to be supporting all the things listed in the first paragraph.
When they support Gravel or Kucinich they support war? Some people just don't want to get laissez faire economy... Let me give you an example: Polish troops are still sitting in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is sincere candidate who says war is wrong and we pay for that, but on the economic or cultural matters is strictly conservative - no stem-cell research, no government funded heath programs, no obligatory vaccination (so kids may die, and old diseases may reborn), removing department of education and so on. I wouldn't vote for him, that's all. _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Kingcoal wrote:
Perhaps conservatives see Obama as easier to beat than Clinton. A lot of people I know, are suspicious of Obama's patriotism.
GW's avoidance of the Vietnam war and obvious lack of patriotism didn't prevent conservatives from making sure he got into office. Maybe they will fix the vote for Obama too. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Roy wrote:
The CFR and the military industrial complex have long tentacles, and they are doing their damndest to make sure that their gravy train doesn't stop running.
But Obama is against the iraq war. Will the military industry accept that?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Whenever I see a politician and all they say is "We must have hope to keep moving forward into the future together where together we can hope to move together into the future of hope together to get moving again into a future of hope" I steer clear. I'm for Edwards, I think he really wants to stick it to the corporations and Wall Street scumbags. _________________ One of these now am I too, a fugitive from the gods and a wanderer, at the mercy of raging Strife.
--Empedocles
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
I dunno, but it's starting to look to me like this whole Obama phenomenon is all about that mysterious quality that so few of us have: real charisma: Link
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Word Usage -
Charisma meaning "personal magnetism":
In their generalized meanings, charisma and charismatic have moved a long way from their original meanings in theology, where they referred to supernatural gifts of speaking, healing, and so on. The modern meanings have developed from a use in sociology, in which the sense is "power of leadership or authority," first used in translations of the German sociologist Max Weber (1864-1920).
Though very difficult or even impossible to define accurately (due to a lack of widely accepted criteria in regard to the trait), charisma is often used to describe an elusive, even undefinable personality trait that often includes the seemingly 'supernatural' or uncanny ability to lead, charm, persuade, inspire, and/or influence people. It refers especially to a quality in certain people who easily draw the attention and admiration (or even hatred if the application of such charisma is perceived to be negative) of others due to a 'magnetic' quality of personality and/or appearance.
Related terms and phrases include: grace, exuberance, equanimity, mystique, positive energy, joie de vivre, extreme charm, personal magnetism, personal appeal, "electricity," and allure, among many others. Usually many of these specific qualities must be present within a single individual for the person to be considered highly charismatic by the public and their peers.
Despite the strong emotions they so often induce in others, charismatic individuals generally project unusual calmness, confidence, assertiveness, dominance, authenticity, and focus, and almost always possess superb communication and/or oratorical skills. Although the etymology of the word ("divine gift") might suggest that charisma can't be acquired, and despite the persistent inability to accurately define or even fully understand the concept, it is believed that charisma can be taught and/or learned. Others disagree with this assertion and maintain that it is an inborn trait, or acquired through growing up, and that it cannot be learned, taught, or 'gained' at will.
It's "inborn". You've either got it or you don't. Obama's got it like few ever have. I've seen very little of him, but in the two talk show appearances that I saw, it was undeniable. He's got a rare gift. When he talks, you listen. He's pretty mesmerizing, actually.
This will be very interesting to watch. Imagine a guy named "Barack Hussein Obama", who has a Kenyan father, and who spent a good portion of his childhood in Indonesia, becoming President of The United States. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
I also fail to see what's inherently bad about big government. I happen to think that my own keynesian state (Sweden) functions quite well, and that government can provide certain services better, cheaper, more fairly and more efficiently than the free market. A well run government of and for the people can be as big as it needs to be AFAIC.
Just because the status quo in U.S. politics is less than ideal, I don't understand why Paulistas automatically assume everyone recognizing this automatically ought to believe that laissez-faire economics and the dismantling of the state is the universal solution to all problems. Then again, having had the state run by neocons for a long time is sure to cause a huge mess - how can you expect a man to excel at a task he fundamentally believes ought not be carried out?
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