Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 726 Location: Eastern NC
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Obama acts like an honorable man, the right is far quicker to admit that than the the left ever would of a candidate of the opposite party. He may be far easier to defeat than most of the Democratic candidates also. Beware of gift horses.
Edwards, what a joke. He is greatly despised in his own state. Seldom attended the Senate, arrogant to his neighbors and bought his way into UNC Chapel Hills Poverty Center. Seen as a smooth talking fraud. He speeches are rewrites of his court closings. If elected the tort lawyers will go crazy, every job that can leave the country will leave the country. A Fraud if ever there was one.
Joined: May 09, 2005 Posts: 97 Location: Western Washington
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
The latest national poll has Obama and Huckabee as the leaders, obviously this may not last. It seems that Huckabee is not very well recieved by the mainstream or business oriented Republicans -and they tend to be the talking heads. Huckabee is seen as a populist, and a bit feared by Wall St. It may be that the conservative pundits may be more comfortable with an Obama presidency than a Huckabee. Intersting circus anyhow.
Poor Hillary. I'm sure she never saw this coming. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3641 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
IMHO, Obama has not got the experience to be president; neither does Bush, but he was put in with the push of the repugnents and the back room boys.
I have yet to hear Obama say anything of substance; I keep expecting him to break out in the Theme of Annie ("Tomorrow, Tomorrow")..... _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday night in a startling upset, defeating Sen. Barack Obama and resurrecting her bid for the White House. Sen. John McCain powered past his Republican rivals and back into contention for the GOP nomination.
"I felt like we all spoke from our hearts and I am so gratified that you responded," Clinton said in victory remarks before cheering supporters. "Now together, let's give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me."
Her victory capped a revival from last week's third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses. It also raised the possibility of a long battle for the party nomination between the most viable black candidate in history and the former first lady, who is seeking to become the first woman to occupy the Oval Office.
Okay, we've learned our lesson. We shouldn't count any of the major candidates out. Both nominations are going to be up in the air for a while. The conventions this summer could be fascinating. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Clinton, McCain Win In New Hampshire
My guess: under Clinton everything stays the same she has no vision. Under McCain everything gets worse, a hardliner military guy who will spend huge amounts in arms. Obama, I don't know I can't see an extraordinary record, especially his Irak politics weren't very convincing.
I'm not living in the US, hence I'm mostly interested what foreign policy the candidates are likely to follow. I reckon if Obama is likely to win they will cheat the election as they did before.
(I cannot understand why US citizens do not fight for a new and better election system)
Joined: Jan 13, 2006 Posts: 138 Location: toronto, not anymore
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Clinton, McCain Win In New Hampshire
i call vote fraud.
when its foreign states with anti US governments the US calls for unbiased UN observers. when its the US "lets have diebold electronic counters tally the votes". _________________ LOOKING FOR -a view of the enditems-
Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4548 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Clinton, McCain Win In New Hampshire
I was in New Hampshire volunteering for the Mitt Romney campaign and I can assure you that there was no fraud in this election.
The only fraud is McCain's claim that his immigration plan doesn't amount to amensty for illegal immigrants.
McCain is a real war hero in my book, but I can't forgive his stance on illegal immigration. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Hopefully she won't start crying when all the taxpayers R sucked dry. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Clinton, McCain Win In New Hampshire
alokin wrote:
Obama, I don't know I can't see an extraordinary record, especially his Irak politics weren't very convincing.
i'm just thinking obama is more likely to pick edwards as a running mate and present a more united ticket. i'd guess hillary will pick neither obama nor edwards and won't be able to round our her deficiencies with a strong running mate, at least not in a convincing way.
none of their iraq policies make any sense. but i blame bushco for the whole thing. you will recall at the time, the flat out lies the administration was telling, and who knows what other bullying was going on behind the scenes. hell, when O'connor retired I started wondering if she hadn't received death threats or something. i mean, she couldn't hold out for a couple more years?
so, i pretty much just want the ticket that will get the repugnicans out of office. it's the best i can muster. those weasels need to be out on their asses.
what i'm mostly afraid of is that some non-criminal will win the white house only to find that all the legitimate functions of government have been privatized and outsourced in the last 8 years and there's nothing left but an oval office and a pen to sign the checks with.
The head clerk of the New Hampshire town of Sutton has been forced to admit that Ron Paul received 31 votes yet when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. The fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Die NASA, die. Where's my iPhone entitlement? _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
Joined: Sep 17, 2006 Posts: 640 Location: No man's land
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest of..
Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest of election integrity
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DETROIT, MI – Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, the most outspoken advocate in the Presidential field and in Congress for election integrity, paper-ballot elections, and campaign finance reform, has sent a letter to the New Hampshire Secretary of State asking for a recount of Tuesday’s election because of “unexplained disparities between hand-counted ballots and machine-counted ballots.”
“I am not making this request in the expectation that a recount will significantly affect the number of votes that were cast on my behalf,” Kucinich stressed in a letter to Secretary of State William M. Gardner. But, “Serious and credible reports, allegations, and rumors have surfaced in the past few days…It is imperative that these questions be addressed in the interest of public confidence in the integrity of the election process and the election machinery – not just in New Hampshire, but in every other state that conducts a primary election.”
Also, the reports, allegations, and rumors regarding possible vote-count irregularities have been further fueled by the stunning disparities between various “independent” pre-election polls and the actual election results," Kucinich wrote. "The integrity, credibility, and value of independent polling are separate issues, but they appear to be relevant in the context of New Hampshire’s votes."
He added, “Ever since the 2000 election – and even before – the American people have been losing faith in the belief that their votes were actually counted. This recount isn’t about who won 39% of 36% or even 1%. It’s about establishing whether 100% of the voters had 100% of their votes counted exactly the way they cast them.”
Kucinich, who drew about 1.4% of the New Hampshire Democratic primary vote, wrote, “This is not about my candidacy or any other individual candidacy. It is about the integrity of the election process.” No other Democratic candidate, he noted, has stepped forward to question or pursue the claims being made.
“New Hampshire is in the unique position to address – and, if so determined, rectify – these issues before they escalate into a massive, nationwide suspicion of the process by which Americans elect their President. Based on the controversies surrounding the Presidential elections in 2004 and 2000, New Hampshire is in a prime position to investigate possible irregularities and to issue findings for the benefit of the entire nation,” Kucinich wrote in his letter.
“Without an official recount, the voters of New Hampshire and the rest of the nation will never know whether there are flaws in our electoral system that need to be identified and addressed at this relatively early point in the Presidential nominating process,” said Kucinich, who is campaigning in Michigan this week in advance of next Tuesday’s Presidential primary in that state.
Link _________________ "It is no measure of health to be deemed sane in an insane society" J. Krishnamurti
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
Isn't he the guy who the libertarians think will end taxation? In a nutshell?
They like everythihng about Paul except that he 'says' that he will end the war. He knows he won't get a chance to have to live up to his silliness. I think the people who support him call themselves 'supply my siders'.
A series of newsletters in the name of GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul contain several racist remarks -- including one that says order was restored to Los Angeles after the 1992 riots when blacks went "to pick up their welfare checks."
CNN recently obtained the newsletters -- written in the 1990s and one from the late 1980s -- after a report was published about their existence in The New Republic.
None of the newsletters CNN found says who wrote them, but each was published under Paul's name between his stints as a U.S. congressman from Texas.
Paul told CNN's "The Situation Room" Thursday that he didn't write any of the offensive articles and has "no idea" who did. Watch Paul's full interview with CNN »
"When you bring this question up, you're really saying, 'You're a racist' or 'Are you a racist?' And the answer is, 'No, I'm not a racist,'" he said.
Paul said he had never even read the articles with the racist comments. See the newsletter excerpts for yourself »
"I do repudiate everything that is written along those lines," he said, adding he wanted to "make sure everybody knew where I stood on this position because it's obviously wrong."
But that's not good enough, says one political veteran.
"These stories may be very old in Ron Paul's life, but they're very new to the American public and they deserve to be totally ventilated," said David Gergen, a CNN senior political analyst. "I must say I don't think there's an excuse in politics to have something go out under your name and say, 'Oh by the way, I didn't write that.'"
Paul, who is not considered a front-runner, has become an Internet phenomenon in the current race, raising tens of millions of dollars from a devoted online base, many of them young people drawn to his libertarian straight talk.
The controversial newsletters include rants against the Israeli lobby, gays, AIDS victims and Martin Luther King Jr. -- described as a "pro-Communist philanderer." One newsletter, from June 1992, right after the LA riots, says "order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."
Another says, "The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible."
_________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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