Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest
For you conspiracy theory people:
1. Kucinich questions voting irregularities
2. Irregularities are confirmed through recount
3. Voting machines deemed defective or tampered with
4. George W. Bush suspends election until HIS independent investigators determines voting machines are operable or another method is substituted.
<sarcasm> It's okay we all would have voted him another term if we could right? </sarcasm>
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Zardoz wrote:
......hysteria ....
There are entirely rational reasons to support Obama.
He's by far the best orator of this year's candidates, he's the most likable, he's very bright, he's new, he seems less corrupt and compromised then the other politicians.
The Clinton campaigns' arrogance and barely veiled racism in dealing with Obama is also provoking a backlash against Hillary.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Kucinich asks for New Hampshire recount in the interest
AZpeaker wrote:
For you conspiracy theory people:
1. Kucinich questions voting irregularities
2. Irregularities are confirmed through recount
3. Voting machines deemed defective or tampered with
4. George W. Bush suspends election until HIS independent investigators determines voting machines are operable or another method is substituted.
<sarcasm> It's okay we all would have voted him another term if we could right? </sarcasm>
Don't worry. Its more likely that Kucinich will be the next president then Bush.
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
xarkz wrote:
But Obama is against the iraq war. Will the military industry accept that?
Heh, this guy IS war and has mastered the art of doublespeak. Iraq is mission accomplished, permanent bases sitting on top of the oil fields, the green zone fortress - a pull out of troops is natural at this point, only to be redeployed in Afghanistan and Pakistan or wherever else the corporate rape of third world resources is required. He is a big supporter of the War on Terror, a.k.a the War on YOU and your Bill of Rights.
All you need to do is examine the national security and foreign policy advisers behind each of the puppets trotted before you, the more you look the more you realize they are all the same.
The War Over the Wonks
But of course they have already told you a thousand times, the War on Terror will never end - that is the beauty of declaring a war against an ideology.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Well crap, our primary is Tuesday and the only dem on the ballot is Hillary, whom I wouldn't vote for if she were the last candidate on earth. The union is urging everyone to vote 'uncommitted' so that Michigans delegates can vote there conscionsce when they get seated, but that means my vote would just be a vote against hillary and not for anyone.
On the republican side Ron Paul is fading fast, I don't like McCain or Huckabee which just leaves me Romney, whose dad was governor of Michigan when I was a small child. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
I watched Obama very closely the other night, his mannerisms, choice of words, etc... Pure sociopath. He's WAAAYYY too smooth. Anyone with that kind of flawless oratory, and laid back schmoozy style, who has obviously been pre-cleared by other sociopaths, makes me suspicious.
He is NOT the anti-war candidate. He's actually all over the map on it.
He says absolutely nothing. He's the blank beige slate that people can project their hopes and desires on.
He makes my skin crawl and if he's elected, God help America.
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6430 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
threadbear wrote:
...He's the blank beige slate that people can project their hopes and desires on.
Well, okay, but isn't that a smart strategy to adopt when you're trying to win a general election in a nation with an almost infinitely-diverse population? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Even Conservative Media Chorus Sings Obama's Praises
Zardoz wrote:
threadbear wrote:
...He's the blank beige slate that people can project their hopes and desires on.
Well, okay, but isn't that a smart strategy to adopt when you're trying to win a general election in a nation with an almost infinitely-diverse population?
Oh yeah...it's a perfect strategy, but when the pol is completely comfortable in that role, assuming he ISN'T actually an empty slate, it kind of creeps me out.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
TommyJefferson wrote:
In real free markets the "regular people" have ultimate say in things.
that's because the real free market is a fairy tale. it's never actually there, there's always non-market influences corrupting its purity.
the problem for all you free marketeers is that you can always fall back on the fallacy that the current free market is not "really" free, but that there is some mythical pure free market out there to strive for.
In actuality, however, initiatives that use the free market as a cover are primarily just schemes to Fark poor people and make a buck.
the more this happens the more the marketeers just sit back and say... no, the problem is that it's STILL not truly free like the beautiful free market in heaven. but this is just blowing smoke up everyone's ass because they know what they are actually doing, they are demanding bargain basement selloffs of public property in times of duress. it's a scam.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Arguments AGAINST Ron Paul?
mekrob wrote:
So you're saying that if there is no government programs for those people and you have extra money, then YOU'RE going to let them die? Now why would you do that? Why wouldn't you help them? Seems like you're the selfish one if you won't help someone in need. Libertarians don't believe that we shouldn't help others, but just that the government shouldn't force us to.
My god, this is utterly idiotic and bullying besides.
The freaking government programs were created because there was a need. Clouseau2's stinginess notwithstanding, i see wealthy people every day letting the poor die. Why do they do that? They just do. They are bastards.
You so called libertarians just let history evaporate in favor of the pretty free market-land in your minds. It's frankly just as childish as your remark above.
I will be the first to admit that legislation is a clumsy tool fraught with compromise. But that's what adults do, they compromise.
A democratic government is a consolidation of power, but one with at least a shred of access for the citizen. We should be improving that access and improving the democratic process within government, not strangling and starving it to make it even more at the mercy of corporate power.
If you are serious about the States handling the social responsibilities of the Federal Government more efficiently, then why do I never hear anything about shifting the taxing power from Fed to State? i only hear about dismantling the Fed part. This simple reason is that it's a sham. they don't care what happens to the work those programs were doing. they just want them gone and then they hand you this quasi-religious faith in the free market pig crap that it will all naturally rebuild itself.
In exactly the same way, the Neocons crowed that Iraq would be a fertile bed for free market capitalism when they disassembled and destroyed the existing Baath party government, what they were actually doing is giving away property to their corporate friends.
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