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Just how close to Peak Oil are we?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Megaprojects update: Just how close to Peak Oil are we?

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CONCLUSIONS:
• Supply will remain tight and prices high barring a
major economic setback
• Oil supply will peak in 2011/12 at around 93 million
barrels/day
• There will supply shortfalls in winter before Peak
• Oil supply in international trade will peak earlier
than the oil production peak
• We remain reluctant to face up to Peak Oil
• There are huge challenges and huge opportunities


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Oil supply will peak in 2011/12 at around 93 million
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Lol... Just like I have been saying...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Skrewbowski and the other "bottom up" analysts are way too optimistic. I think it's pretty well established now that oil companies tend to be too optimistic.

There was a fascinating post at TOD by a guy whose company had done an analysis of the past 15 years' worth of new production. Time and again, it took longer than expected, peaked at a lower level than expected, and declined sooner and more steeply than expected.

Case in point: Saudi Aramco recently announced that Khursaniyah, which was supposed to go online last year, is being delayed. Rumor is at least until March, possibly until summer. Manifa is also being delayed.

Call it "Thunder Horse Syndrome." Speaking of which, it was originally scheduled to start producing in what, 2005? Then it was July 2006, then it was the end of 2007. It's now the "second half of 2008."

Atlantis was scheduled to start in 2005 as well, and it just started producing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Peak oil is when flows can’t meet the demand

If Chris can't even get the definition of PO right and uncritically keeps using IEA&EIA figures for forecasts, I'll toss his opinions out the window.
And he doesn' show where the extra production is coming from that will not only offset the 5% decline but take up production anothet 1.5M b/d from 07 to 08.
I am somewhat sceptical about this paper.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Someone once posted a graph of Skrewboski's predictions vs. reality. Let's just say it didn't give me a lot of confidence in the bottom-up method.

TOD does regular updates of all the peak oil models. This is the latest. Skrebowski is way off. Curiously, it's Bakhtiari who's the most accurate so far, even though his analysis is one of the oldest.

I don't think we'll see a "peak." More and more, it looks like the "plateau oil" predictions were right.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote



The things you were looking for? If you want something more extensive, send him a mail and ask if you can check his database.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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it looks like the "plateau oil" predictions were right


Are you saying that Hubbert's normal model is incorrect?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Starvid wrote:


but why, pray tell is this chart being ignored?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Considering that in recent months both IEA and EIA have reported new world supply records and global net exports are trending strongly upwards, Skrebowski is not too optimistic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Graeme wrote:

CONCLUSIONS


Correction: "My conclusions at very best."

His graphs suggest plateau until maybe May 2009 for oil per se, then down it goes:



His list of BP stats is pretty grim:

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•OECD production peaked in 1997and has now declined by 2.2 million b/d (10.4%)•Non-Opec, non-FSU production peaked in 2002•North America/Mexico peaked in 1997•North Sea -UK/Norway/Denmark peaked in 2000now declined by 1.6 million b/d (25.4%)•Around 28 significant producers in decline•About 35% of global production from decliners•But if Saudi in decline then 49.9% in decline


2011 peak for the TOD MPs list with 8% decline. 2018 for 2% - Let's Mitigate this Mother!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

All those numbers depend on decline remaining pretty much flat. if you look hard at the graphs on the Wiki page it looks like after sometime next year (possibly sooner) we lose the battle from this last gasp of production with decline. To me this is a very significant point in this whole PO issue. It could happen sooner than that if we lose just a few of the larger producing fields around the world due to water cuts or crashing production.

The problems are twofold, are reserve numbers accurate? and what happens if decline accelerates? It doesn't appear that we are reversing decline, so you have to consider this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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It doesn't appear that we are reversing decline, so you have to consider this.


We have seen this display of mega-projects paraded about for five years; the number of them that have come in on schedule, within budget and fulfilled production estimates, you can count on one hand. Remember Thunder Horse!

The failure of projects to come in on schedule, as E&D costs explode exponentially, is compensatory with the concept of PO. It would make more sense to regard it as of an indication that PO has arrived, rather than use it an explanation of why it hasn’t.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Just how close to Peak Oil are we? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Indeed. Stuart Staniford's treatise on this does seem to show that, while mega-projects are still quite far from extinct, they are needing to be bigger and bigger just to keep us afloat.

How that can be construed as a good thing is mysterious to me. It's great that we're finding such amazing projects, even if they are declining in number over the years. But if even they can only off-set declines today, what good are they in the future?
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