Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
seahorse wrote:
Dont' worry about your debt anymore, especially if you are already up to your ass in debt. Don't give this money to the credit card companies or the banks that are going under and taking you with them. Invest in the only thing that matters, which will get you through the next two years. That, and a good sleeping bag.
Excellent advise!
I have advocated for this before.
Buy what you need now even if it means you go in debt.
If you default - so what...our government will.
Your FICO is not that important - and even if it was, the banks can't lend to you...THEY WILL DEFAULT TOO!! _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4483 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
Raining 150 billion dollars over the USA might just keep this final feeding frenzy foaming for another year... then, well then.... heh... Hillary gets to clean up the mess.
And what a clean up it will be too! The idiotic oil wars, PO, The housing bubble... etc... debt... a monumental mess unlike any the USA has ever faced... and all but PO brought on solely and intentionally by Bush and his small circle of buddies. Amazing what people will fall for. _________________ Got Dharma?
Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2197 Location: Arkansas
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
If you aren't worried about the credit crisis, the very fact that the gov't is getting ready to give every frickin one of us money for nothing should be a flashing red light, with sirens sounding. THIS IS A RED ALERT! There is no bigger sign of a crisis than the Romans throwing bread out to the citizens. TAKE ACTION NOW!
I personally always look for trigger points to make key decisions, the gov't throwing out money to prevent a crisis is one of them. A trigger point is that point in planning that if a pre-condition happens, you take a preplanned action. This is a trigger point. When the gov't passes out free money bc of a admitted financial crisis, you are an absolute fool if you don't take it seriously. This is not the tech bubble of 2001 (which was caused by overblown tech stock prices and didn't affect banks). This is a financial crisis where the world's largest banks may literally go bankrupt - this effects everyone!! The fact that experts worldwide reckon this as comparable to the Great Depression should be scary enough, and now that the gov't is discarding Adam Smith and literally giving money away for nothing to prevent a financial collapse from happening should scare the crap out of you. Take this seriously.
The gov't is getting ready to give everyone a bonus, who knows how much. Spend it wisely by investing in food. If you have credit card debts, car payments etc, do not use this money to pay on those regular bills, do not buy anything like a t.v. etc., do not take a vacation with it. Make this money work for you and BUY SOME FOOD! Especially if you have kids or anyone depending on you. This is a real opportunity to get ahead in the preparation game, use it wisely. Food is much more important than matches, solar, bullets, any other preparation. Food is the base level of survival, everything else is secondary! It is the reason why we work, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY!
Buy food for the following reasons:
(1) I see people lose their jobs in the best of environments, and when they do, they don't have money to buy groceries! Don't let that happen to you. Most jobs will likely be in jeopardy over the next 2 years. Unless you are a gov't employee or working for a utility, a doctor or a nurse, your job security isn't very good. Buy food now, bc you may not have a monthly income to buy it later;
(2) Food prices are continually going up, call it stagflation or whatever. They will not be going down in the foreseeable future. Buy food now, bc food prices will never be cheaper. Buy it now while its available, at the best prices, and while you have a windfall to buy it;
(3) Even if you file for bankruptcy someday, they are not going to take the food in your pantry; its never happened. Food is not personal property which can be seized. Anything else you own can be seized. Buy food that you can keep and take it with you no matter what happens. You will not regret it.
(4) Even if you lose everything and were left in a tent city, if you have a sleeping bag and FOOD, you will be okay. If you have food, what money you do have coming in can be used to rebuild your life and buy other things. FOOD is security in the worse of times.
(5) If we get $600 or more gov't play money, you can buy a lot of food with this. Use every penny on food. A 50lb bag of rice is about $20, same for a 50lb bag of beans. Peanut butter, honey, canned goods, all will last a long time and are fairly cheap. Buy it and sock it away. Hold it for two years as a security, if nothing has happened by then, start eating it, no big deal.
(6) Food is the best investment right now, the only thing guaranteed to hold its value and, if the worse does happen, may be the only thing of value.
Do not waste this opportunity. If you don't have a store of food, get it now while you can! Don't waste this money by sending it to the credit card company or anyone else. Pay yourself with it by investing it in you, literally, and your family. You will not regret it.
The only thing you cannot do without in your life is food. This is a freebee, use it wisely.
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
seahorse wrote:
If you aren't worried about the credit crisis, the very fact that the gov't is getting ready to give every frickin one of us money for nothing should be a flashing red light, with sirens sounding. THIS IS A RED ALERT! There is no bigger sign of a crisis than the Romans throwing bread out to the citizens. TAKE ACTION NOW!
I personally always look for trigger points to make key decisions, the gov't throwing out money to prevent a crisis is one of them. A trigger point is that point in planning that if a pre-condition happens, you take a preplanned action. This is a trigger point. When the gov't passes out free money bc of a admitted financial crisis, you are an absolute fool if you don't take it seriously. This is not the tech bubble of 2001 (which was caused by overblown tech stock prices and didn't affect banks). This is a financial crisis where the world's largest banks may literally go bankrupt - this effects everyone!! The fact that experts worldwide reckon this as comparable to the Great Depression should be scary enough, and now that the gov't is discarding Adam Smith and literally giving money away for nothing to prevent a financial collapse from happening should scare the crap out of you. Take this seriously.
The gov't is getting ready to give everyone a bonus, who knows how much. Spend it wisely by investing in food. If you have credit card debts, car payments etc, do not use this money to pay on those regular bills, do not buy anything like a t.v. etc., do not take a vacation with it. Make this money work for you and BUY SOME FOOD! Especially if you have kids or anyone depending on you. This is a real opportunity to get ahead in the preparation game, use it wisely. Food is much more important than matches, solar, bullets, any other preparation. Food is the base level of survival, everything else is secondary! It is the reason why we work, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY!
Buy food for the following reasons:
(1) I see people lose their jobs in the best of environments, and when they do, they don't have money to buy groceries! Don't let that happen to you. Most jobs will likely be in jeopardy over the next 2 years. Unless you are a gov't employee or working for a utility, a doctor or a nurse, your job security isn't very good. Buy food now, bc you may not have a monthly income to buy it later;
(2) Food prices are continually going up, call it stagflation or whatever. They will not be going down in the foreseeable future. Buy food now, bc food prices will never be cheaper. Buy it now while its available, at the best prices, and while you have a windfall to buy it;
(3) Even if you file for bankruptcy someday, they are not going to take the food in your pantry; its never happened. Food is not personal property which can be seized. Anything else you own can be seized. Buy food that you can keep and take it with you no matter what happens. You will not regret it.
(4) Even if you lose everything and were left in a tent city, if you have a sleeping bag and FOOD, you will be okay. If you have food, what money you do have coming in can be used to rebuild your life and buy other things. FOOD is security in the worse of times.
(5) If we get $600 or more gov't play money, you can buy a lot of food with this. Use every penny on food. A 50lb bag of rice is about $20, same for a 50lb bag of beans. Peanut butter, honey, canned goods, all will last a long time and are fairly cheap. Buy it and sock it away. Hold it for two years as a security, if nothing has happened by then, start eating it, no big deal.
(6) Food is the best investment right now, the only thing guaranteed to hold its value and, if the worse does happen, may be the only thing of value.
Do not waste this opportunity. If you don't have a store of food, get it now while you can! Don't waste this money by sending it to the credit card company or anyone else. Pay yourself with it by investing it in you, literally, and your family. You will not regret it.
The only thing you cannot do without in your life is food. This is a freebee, use it wisely.
So are stocks going to drop like a rock this coming Monday?
Will Bush's Tax Rebates boost the economy as a quick fix?
Will Gold really skyrocket to $1500USD?
Is the US Dollar going to implode any time soon?
Is this really the beginning of the end?
or anyother cry wolves? I wanna know
when it REALLY happens for good so
I can get front seat tickets to
the supernova of mankind
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
seahorse wrote:
If you aren't worried about the credit crisis, the very fact that the gov't is getting ready to give every frickin one of us money for nothing should be a flashing red light, with sirens sounding. THIS IS A RED ALERT! There is no bigger sign of a crisis than the Romans throwing bread out to the citizens. TAKE ACTION NOW!
I personally always look for trigger points to make key decisions, the gov't throwing out money to prevent a crisis is one of them. A trigger point is that point in planning that if a pre-condition happens, you take a preplanned action. This is a trigger point. When the gov't passes out free money bc of a admitted financial crisis, you are an absolute fool if you don't take it seriously. This is not the tech bubble of 2001 (which was caused by overblown tech stock prices and didn't affect banks). This is a financial crisis where the world's largest banks may literally go bankrupt - this effects everyone!! The fact that experts worldwide reckon this as comparable to the Great Depression should be scary enough, and now that the gov't is discarding Adam Smith and literally giving money away for nothing to prevent a financial collapse from happening should scare the crap out of you. Take this seriously.
The gov't is getting ready to give everyone a bonus, who knows how much. Spend it wisely by investing in food. If you have credit card debts, car payments etc, do not use this money to pay on those regular bills, do not buy anything like a t.v. etc., do not take a vacation with it. Make this money work for you and BUY SOME FOOD! Especially if you have kids or anyone depending on you. This is a real opportunity to get ahead in the preparation game, use it wisely. Food is much more important than matches, solar, bullets, any other preparation. Food is the base level of survival, everything else is secondary! It is the reason why we work, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY!
Buy food for the following reasons:
(1) I see people lose their jobs in the best of environments, and when they do, they don't have money to buy groceries! Don't let that happen to you. Most jobs will likely be in jeopardy over the next 2 years. Unless you are a gov't employee or working for a utility, a doctor or a nurse, your job security isn't very good. Buy food now, bc you may not have a monthly income to buy it later;
(2) Food prices are continually going up, call it stagflation or whatever. They will not be going down in the foreseeable future. Buy food now, bc food prices will never be cheaper. Buy it now while its available, at the best prices, and while you have a windfall to buy it;
(3) Even if you file for bankruptcy someday, they are not going to take the food in your pantry; its never happened. Food is not personal property which can be seized. Anything else you own can be seized. Buy food that you can keep and take it with you no matter what happens. You will not regret it.
(4) Even if you lose everything and were left in a tent city, if you have a sleeping bag and FOOD, you will be okay. If you have food, what money you do have coming in can be used to rebuild your life and buy other things. FOOD is security in the worse of times.
(5) If we get $600 or more gov't play money, you can buy a lot of food with this. Use every penny on food. A 50lb bag of rice is about $20, same for a 50lb bag of beans. Peanut butter, honey, canned goods, all will last a long time and are fairly cheap. Buy it and sock it away. Hold it for two years as a security, if nothing has happened by then, start eating it, no big deal.
(6) Food is the best investment right now, the only thing guaranteed to hold its value and, if the worse does happen, may be the only thing of value.
Do not waste this opportunity. If you don't have a store of food, get it now while you can! Don't waste this money by sending it to the credit card company or anyone else. Pay yourself with it by investing it in you, literally, and your family. You will not regret it.
The only thing you cannot do without in your life is food. This is a freebee, use it wisely.
Nice post again Seahorse - one of the very few around here who "get it".
I just nitrogen packed 50 3.5 gallon buckets with corn/wheat/soybean/and oats...about 700 pounds of food...cost around $300.
Get food now while it is available - then get a 38 and 1,000 rounds and a good (10f degree or lower) sleeping bag. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
roccman wrote:
seahorse wrote:
If you aren't worried about the credit crisis, the very fact that the gov't is getting ready to give every frickin one of us money for nothing should be a flashing red light, with sirens sounding. THIS IS A RED ALERT! There is no bigger sign of a crisis than the Romans throwing bread out to the citizens. TAKE ACTION NOW!
I personally always look for trigger points to make key decisions, the gov't throwing out money to prevent a crisis is one of them. A trigger point is that point in planning that if a pre-condition happens, you take a preplanned action. This is a trigger point. When the gov't passes out free money bc of a admitted financial crisis, you are an absolute fool if you don't take it seriously. This is not the tech bubble of 2001 (which was caused by overblown tech stock prices and didn't affect banks). This is a financial crisis where the world's largest banks may literally go bankrupt - this effects everyone!! The fact that experts worldwide reckon this as comparable to the Great Depression should be scary enough, and now that the gov't is discarding Adam Smith and literally giving money away for nothing to prevent a financial collapse from happening should scare the crap out of you. Take this seriously.
The gov't is getting ready to give everyone a bonus, who knows how much. Spend it wisely by investing in food. If you have credit card debts, car payments etc, do not use this money to pay on those regular bills, do not buy anything like a t.v. etc., do not take a vacation with it. Make this money work for you and BUY SOME FOOD! Especially if you have kids or anyone depending on you. This is a real opportunity to get ahead in the preparation game, use it wisely. Food is much more important than matches, solar, bullets, any other preparation. Food is the base level of survival, everything else is secondary! It is the reason why we work, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY!
Buy food for the following reasons:
(1) I see people lose their jobs in the best of environments, and when they do, they don't have money to buy groceries! Don't let that happen to you. Most jobs will likely be in jeopardy over the next 2 years. Unless you are a gov't employee or working for a utility, a doctor or a nurse, your job security isn't very good. Buy food now, bc you may not have a monthly income to buy it later;
(2) Food prices are continually going up, call it stagflation or whatever. They will not be going down in the foreseeable future. Buy food now, bc food prices will never be cheaper. Buy it now while its available, at the best prices, and while you have a windfall to buy it;
(3) Even if you file for bankruptcy someday, they are not going to take the food in your pantry; its never happened. Food is not personal property which can be seized. Anything else you own can be seized. Buy food that you can keep and take it with you no matter what happens. You will not regret it.
(4) Even if you lose everything and were left in a tent city, if you have a sleeping bag and FOOD, you will be okay. If you have food, what money you do have coming in can be used to rebuild your life and buy other things. FOOD is security in the worse of times.
(5) If we get $600 or more gov't play money, you can buy a lot of food with this. Use every penny on food. A 50lb bag of rice is about $20, same for a 50lb bag of beans. Peanut butter, honey, canned goods, all will last a long time and are fairly cheap. Buy it and sock it away. Hold it for two years as a security, if nothing has happened by then, start eating it, no big deal.
(6) Food is the best investment right now, the only thing guaranteed to hold its value and, if the worse does happen, may be the only thing of value.
Do not waste this opportunity. If you don't have a store of food, get it now while you can! Don't waste this money by sending it to the credit card company or anyone else. Pay yourself with it by investing it in you, literally, and your family. You will not regret it.
The only thing you cannot do without in your life is food. This is a freebee, use it wisely.
Nice post again Seahorse - one of the very few around here who "get it".
I just nitrogen packed 50 3.5 gallon buckets with corn/wheat/soybean/and oats...about 700 pounds of food...cost around $300.
Get food now while it is available - then get a 38 and 1,000 rounds and a good (10f degree or lower) sleeping bag.
YHeah and how long will that last you? A few months, a few years?
You are still delaying the inevitable. Life as we know it does not exists in a vacuum, you are not an isolated one man island to yourself. You can prepare as much as you want, in the ends its still no use....
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
easterisland wrote:
YHeah and how long will that last you? A few months, a few years?
You are still delaying the inevitable. Life as we know it does not exists in a vacuum, you are not an isolated one man island to yourself. You can prepare as much as you want, in the ends its still no use....
Ummmmm yeah ...sure...whatever dude.
So exactly how much reading have you done specific to permaculture, survival tactics, off grid living.
Are you going somewhere with this or just doing laps? _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
roccman wrote:
easterisland wrote:
YHeah and how long will that last you? A few months, a few years?
You are still delaying the inevitable. Life as we know it does not exists in a vacuum, you are not an isolated one man island to yourself. You can prepare as much as you want, in the ends its still no use....
Ummmmm yeah ...sure...whatever dude.
So exactly how much reading have you done specific to permaculture, survival tactics, off grid living.
Are you going somewhere with this or just doing laps?
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
easterisland wrote:
roccman wrote:
easterisland wrote:
YHeah and how long will that last you? A few months, a few years?
You are still delaying the inevitable. Life as we know it does not exists in a vacuum, you are not an isolated one man island to yourself. You can prepare as much as you want, in the ends its still no use....
Ummmmm yeah ...sure...whatever dude.
So exactly how much reading have you done specific to permaculture, survival tactics, off grid living.
Are you going somewhere with this or just doing laps?
It's NOT gonna work like you planned it to be...
There will be a massive dieoff, and more than likely
you will not be immune
Really - a die off - whatz that? _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
roccman wrote:
easterisland wrote:
roccman wrote:
easterisland wrote:
YHeah and how long will that last you? A few months, a few years?
You are still delaying the inevitable. Life as we know it does not exists in a vacuum, you are not an isolated one man island to yourself. You can prepare as much as you want, in the ends its still no use....
Ummmmm yeah ...sure...whatever dude.
So exactly how much reading have you done specific to permaculture, survival tactics, off grid living.
Are you going somewhere with this or just doing laps?
It's NOT gonna work like you planned it to be...
There will be a massive dieoff, and more than likely
you will not be immune
Really - a die off - whatz that?
You can act funny if you want...
But knowing PO does not make you
immune to the effects and intricacies
of post energy society no matter
how much you wish it to be so...
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
easterisland wrote:
You can act funny if you want...
But knowing PO does not make you
immune to the effects and intricacies
of post energy society no matter
how much you wish it to be so...
Well bro...if you believe we are all gonna die...then why are you here?
I believe luck favors the prepared. That is why I am here.
Currently my life partner and I have amassed around 10 years of foor for 6-8 people.
I believe soon a die off will ensue.
If one can hunker down for a spell...then emerge later...a new life begins.
Can ya dig it brother? _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 2123 Location: Along the banks of the muddy Mississippi
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
roccman wrote:
If one can hunker down for a spell...then emerge later...a new life begins.
Can ya dig it brother?
Sort of like that old joke with the punchline, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun YOU." _________________ “Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4353 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Helo Ben dropping $1600 checks - what to do?
TheTurtle wrote:
roccman wrote:
If one can hunker down for a spell...then emerge later...a new life begins.
Can ya dig it brother?
Sort of like that old joke with the punchline, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun YOU."
You nailed it hardshell!! _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
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