Sen. Barack Obama was projected to sweep Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in Tuesday's primaries in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, NBC News said, giving him an unbroken string of victories since Super Tuesday.
On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain defeated former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in all three contests.
The wins would help Obama build on the delegate lead that he has gained in the past week in NBC News' count.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Acording to LINK just three more states vote in February, all of them next Tuesday. That is Clinton's last chance to break Obama's momentum before the critical March 4 primaries in Vermont, Rhode Island, Ohio and Texas.
If she can't get her crap in gear before then she is finished as a serious candidate. Since Super Tuesday every state caucus AND primary has gone his way and by landslide size margins of victory. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Could she and Bill do it? If Hillary is behind going into the convention, could they get enough of the super delegates to vote her way to overcome Obama's popular vote lead?
Can you imagine the reaction if they somehow manage it?
Would the super delegates be stupid enough to do that? Could be. The Democrats can be a very self-destructive lot, as we all know:
Some Democrats say they fear their party's method of picking a nominee might turn undemocratic as neither presidential candidate is likely to gather the delegates needed for the nomination.
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are running neck and neck toward the party's August convention in Denver, Colorado. Most projections show neither getting the necessary 2,025 delegates in the remaining nominating contests before then.
Party rules call for the votes of superdelegates -- 800 or so party officers, elected officials and activists -- to tip the balance. The party instituted the system to avoid the turmoil that a deadlocked race would create at a convention.
But even some superdelegates are questioning the system, as the party heads toward the conclusion of a race in which they might determine the outcome.
"It's not the most democratic way of doing things," said Maine superdelegate Sam Spencer.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Zardoz wrote:
Could she and Bill do it? If Hillary is behind going into the convention, could they get enough of the super delegates to vote her way to overcome Obama's popular vote lead?
Can you imagine the reaction if they somehow manage it?
Would the super delegates be stupid enough to do that?
If Obama comes out of this with a majority of the votes and Hillary and Bill get the nomination through the superdelegates, then that is the end of the Democratic Party. Democrats are weak and spineless but no way in the world they are that stupid. I have no problem believing that the Clintons would stoop that low although I kind of like Bill so I hope they refrain from it.
Also I think McCain would be sitting pretty and would be the next president of the US. This is because many Democrats (young people, blacks, affluent liberals) would revolt and probably not vote for either candidate. Talk about a mess. That would be a super-Fark. _________________ Simon's Law: Everything put together falls apart sooner or later.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
big_rc wrote:
If Obama comes out of this with a majority of the votes and Hillary and Bill get the nomination through the superdelegates, then that is the end of the Democratic Party.
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Also I think McCain would be sitting pretty and would be the next president of the US. This is because many Democrats (young people, blacks, affluent liberals) would revolt and probably not vote for either candidate. Talk about a mess. That would be a super-Fark.
It depends a little on how close it is I think. But, in general I think you are correct. The superdelegate system was there to make a last second change in a close race to do what is best for the party. It seems to me that as of now, Obama would have a better shot (a good shot!) at beating Mccain than Clinton, so if anything the supers should push Obama into the winner even if Hillary is a bit ahead. Virginia might go for Obama, but never for Hillary. Mccain is a Virginia-type republican but Obama could take it still I think.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
namenick wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't HIllary expected to take Ohio and Texas and if she does she would have a sizable lead going into the Convention?
Yes, but no. Under the division of delagates rule used by the Democrat party the winner gets the majority of delagates, but the loser gets a fair percentage based on their vote count. In any case in the states she has won so far she has not been greater than 60% of the vote, and in every state since Super Tuesday she has lost, often with margins greater than 2:1. She would have to totally blow Obama out of the water in vote count to come out ahead even if she won victories in both Texas and Ohio.
I live next to the Ohio border and do not beleive for a moment that she has a commanding lead there as the Polls are claiming. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Tanada wrote:
namenick wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't HIllary expected to take Ohio and Texas and if she does she would have a sizable lead going into the Convention?
Yes, but no. Under the division of delagates rule used by the Democrat party the winner gets the majority of delagates, but the loser gets a fair percentage based on their vote count. In any case in the states she has won so far she has not been greater than 60% of the vote, and in every state since Super Tuesday she has lost, often with margins greater than 2:1. She would have to totally blow Obama out of the water in vote count to come out ahead even if she won victories in both Texas and Ohio.
I live next to the Ohio border and do not beleive for a moment that she has a commanding lead there as the Polls are claiming.
And when Obama KILLS her in Hawaii and Wisconsin, her position in the polls is bound to deteriorate.
She is banking on the same flawed strategy as Rudy Giuliani. She didn't worry about the smaller contests and put all of her eggs in the Big State basket. Well guess what, Obama didn't get blown away in the Big Blue states of New Jersey and California and he scored crushing defeats from Washington state to Washington DC.
Rudy ignored New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina, and Nevada. The result? By the time his momentum to shine (Florida) came around, nobody cared about Rudy.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Don't count the Clinton's out just yet, I think March 4, 2008 will end the debate but you never can tell. Between now and then Obama could suffer some huge gaff, the terror war could heat up streangthening Clinton, or any number of other things. If the vote were today I beleive he would win handily, but three weeks in the future leaves a lot of room for him to rise or fall from his position today. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Tuesday the 19th should be mildly interesting, the last poll I saw had Obama winning Washington State, Wisconsin and Hawaii.
If he sweeps all three again then Clinton is going to have a hell of a time winning anything on March 4, which is next up after tomorrow. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Tonight finds the Clinton camp charging Obama with plagiarism, which is presenting someone else's work and claiming it as your own. It is obvious that he copied from Governor Deval Patrick's method of the use of quotes from Jefferson, FDR, Kennedy, and ML King in order to refute a charge of words not being powerful in 2006. Part of the quote was the beginning of the Declaration of Independence.
This was not Hillary but was Mr. Wolfson from her campaign staff.
If I didn't know better I would say that misogynist men were planted in her campaign to sabotage and derail it, but that just doesn't hold any water, her most merciless saboteur to date has been her husband
Bill, and all in the name of his own ego and legacy.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
I live next to the Ohio border and do not beleive for a moment that she has a commanding lead there as the Polls are claiming.[/quote]
I live in Ohio and I don't believe that poll data either.
Obama is using NAFTA like a club on Hillary and I think it's going to prove an effective tactic.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Super Tuesday - And Beyond
Once again this is Bill sabotaging Hill. She hated NAFTA and railed
against it to Bill when it was up for votes in the 90's.. He went with
his nose for what was shrewd politically and backed it and got it done.
Is the small 16 person polling company in New Hampshire that
put Hillary up by 7 points in Wisconson and made all the MSM
sites go bananas yesterday. Today they have her down by
10 points. I think they are calling with those new exponential
telephones.
A new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll suggests the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination between Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois is a statistical dead heat in Texas, which holds primaries March 4.
In the survey, out Monday, 50 percent of likely Democratic primary voters support Clinton as their choice for the party's nominee, with 48 percent backing Obama.
But taking into account the poll's sampling error of plus or minus 4˝ percentage points for Democratic respondents, the race is a virtual tie.
If she doesn't win by a good margin in Texas, she's toast. That's her ace in the hole. If she actually loses that state, game over, and if she has any class at all she'll withdraw for the good of the party.
Of course, that's a mighty big "if", isn't it? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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