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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

For the 3rd month in a row, official inflation was over 4%. Is Bernanke playing politics or is he playing politics? Interest rates will keep falling until November. Not only will the first casualty in McCain's term B Bernanke, but he may get overruled before then.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You know inflation is bad when the bullshit hedonics numbers are high.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

4% is bad? Seems really low to me. I don't understand with the rapidity that the dollar seems to be loosing value how inflation can be that low.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's not...

With food and energy factored in we are at 7-9%.

The numbers presented by our gov't financial folks remind me of the guy who used to be the PR minister for Iraq.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.

Thirty. Percent.



(*edit* - percentages)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

sdcoyote wrote:
It's not...

With food and energy factored in we are at 7-9%.


What sources (links) do you use for your numbers?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think the best guide for inflation is to go take a trip to the grocery store.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tick66 wrote:
I think the best guide for inflation is to go take a trip to the grocery store.


How about a trip to the furniture store, the clothing store, the electronic store, and the car dealership?

Or do you spend 100% of your income on food?



Food and energy prices have mostly followed core inflation in the past.

Over the past ten years, here's a chart of inflation including food and energy.



And a ten year chart excluding food and energy.



In recent years, food/energy inflation has outpaced general inflation by a percentage point or two. But we aren't anywhere near 9% annual inflation.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

While we're comparing graphs here...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

emersonbiggins wrote:
Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.

Thirty. Percent.
The dollar is down 40+% over the same time frame, expect more.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The purpose of a cost of living index is to measure the cost of attaining a given level of happiness at current prices relative to the cost of attaining the same level of happiness at base year prices.

In 2000 if you could buy 100 units of happiness for $100 and now that same level of happiness costs $200, the cost of living has doubled.

Unfortunately, happiness is rather hard to measure.

One way of measuring this is to find out the cost of buying a particular bundle of goods today with the cost of buying that same bundle of goods in 2000. (Paache index)

Or we could take a bundle of goods in 2000 and compare that to the cost of buying the same bundle of goods today. (Laspeyres index)

A Paache index tends to underestimate the change in the cost of living while a Laspeyres index (like the one we used before 1995) tends to overestimate the cost of living.

If you drag the base year of a Laspeyres index back far enough, you end up trying to find the cost of bell bottoms and pet rocks. Cool

The government currently uses a "chain weighted index" to calculate the change in the cost of living. This index reflects changes in consumption patterns.

Adjusting for the quality of a good is a must. A first generation iPod cost $400 and was capable of storing 5GB of music...and not much else.

A fourth generation iPod also cost $400 but could store 40GB of music or pictures.

An iPhone costs also $400 but can do all kinds of crazy crap.

Has the real price of iProducts stayed the same over the past 8 years? I'd say iProducts have gotten cheaper relative to their quality over time.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

emersonbiggins wrote:
Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.

Thirty. Percent.



(*edit* - percentages)



I dont think thats correct at all. Lumber is at a 5 year low, perhaps lower as some are saying a decade low.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSN1019864220080110

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/business/story.html?id=b23e1f3f-82a3-4134-aa20-ded33170c077

http://www.inveslogic.com/sectors/directory/fp-trading-desk/932885

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50B10F93B5B1B7A93C2A8178FD85F458285F9

.. those are the first few hits from google.

Mills and logging outfits are laying off because they cant lower prices any further without selling at a loss. Take OSB, it sold at a high of around 24 a sheet a few years ago in construction boom, now at 5-6 bucks a sheet. 2x4x8 for 1.75 at home depot? Prices for construction is dropping.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

oldstyle wrote:
emersonbiggins wrote:
Construction materials are up 30% over the last 3 years.
You know, the stuff we build stuff with.

Thirty. Percent.



(*edit* - percentages)



I dont think thats correct at all. Lumber is at a 5 year low, perhaps lower as some are saying a decade low.


I was referring more to steel & concrete. Timber is crashing in tandem with the new construction housing market - not surprising.



Association of General Contractors - Inflation Report 2007 (PDF)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:

Adjusting for the quality of a good is a must. A first generation iPod cost $400 and was capable of storing 5GB of music...and not much else.


Electronics are the low-hanging fruit of the hedonics argument. Much harder to argue would be the substitution of hamburger for steak, for example, which represents a clear decline in the standard of living. Also, the mere improvement of a product (airbags in cars, for instance) counters the increasing CPI rate; nevermind that such improvements are MOL standard after a few years. Thus, to properly compare apples to apples (standards of living), a midsize car from the 80s should be compared to a midsize car from today, technological advances notwithstanding. Hard to hit a moving target. Rolling Eyes

Of course, don't take it from me; take it from an economist.

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Hedonics opens the door to producing magical results: a lower inflation rate with generally rising prices, a higher growth rate although the economy may be weaker, and a higher productivity number, although productivity would have been declining without the hedonic imputations.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Inflation still pegged at 4.4% Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote



Using 1950 as the base year for the house size index (100) , the house size index has reached a staggering 238.

In 1950, the median family could expect to pay $8450 for this house and earned an income of $3,210

Now that median house costs $220,000 and the median family earns $48,210.

Dividing the numbers out gives you a house/income ratio of 4.56 today but only 2.63 in 1950.

What's wrong with that picture?

Time for the house size index to come into play.

Divide the current price by the quality adjustment and the house/income ratio today is only 1.92!

But the "house size index" is just a figure I came up with. Here's the math:

Cost per square foot.

In 1950:

$8450/983sqft = $8.6 per square foot

Today:

$220,000/2349sqft = $93.7 per square foot.

The price per square foot has increased by a factor of 10.89.

In order for incomes to keep up, we'd need to see a median family income of $34,974 ($3210*10.89).

Actual median family income? $48,210.
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