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billg Intermediate Crude

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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Maybe, the bees know something we don't...
News dated Feb 25, 2008:
| Quote: | The collapse of US honeybee colonies this year is set to devastate America's multibillion dollar agriculture and food industries.
Last year about 750,000 of the 2.5m hives in the US were wiped out in mysterious circumstances, and already this year the American Beekeeping Federation says there is evidence from its members that losses will be even greater this year. |
| Quote: | Back in America all eyes are nowadays on California's almond trees, which represent a $2.5bn industry. The pink and white blossoms have started to appear and the concern is whether there are the tens of thousands bees needed to pollinate the crop.
"The almonds are in bloom right now in California and we are hearing there are some significant die-offs. It's worrisome," said professor Cox-Foster. |
LINK _________________ "It is no measure of health to be deemed sane in an insane society" J. Krishnamurti
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billg Intermediate Crude

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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List of crops pollinated by bees _________________ "It is no measure of health to be deemed sane in an insane society" J. Krishnamurti
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canis_lupus Heavy Crude

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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There's two kinds of AG disasters, one that hurts the agricultural economy and one that one that hurts the people who depend on the food. Almond trees still produce almonds with less bees pollenating the blossoms, the trees just produce less.
It's a mild distinction -- if the corn or wheat crops were threatened with disaster it would be a different story. It's strange, as a business owner I find myself not caring about the almond crop, or the water-intensive crops grown in the ASW that never should have been used for farming anyway (like corn being grown in the rain shadow of the Rockies in CO).
Tough nuts.
Further, the bee problem doesn't affect local hives nearly as much as it does the big apiaries that truck bees to the crops -- "chasing the bloom". On the other hand, it's hard to find feral honey bees anymore as the wild colonies have all been decimated. |
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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Yeah. Clearly we're not going to starve to death from lack of almonds. OTOH, bees are a very cool thing and it's pretty worrisome that they're dying off. Even more so in that we have only guesses at what's causing it and no plan to fix it.  _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS |
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jupiters_release Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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60 minutes reported last year on a beekeeper, David Hackenberg, whose bee colonies collapsed. They updated this week saying he had another die-off this year of over half his bees.
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Lore Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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Of course the point here is that we're just not talking about almond trees. A vast proportion of the abundant food we eat and some of what we wear are supported by the agro-bee business. A loss of this pollination along with drought, floods, pollution and just plain extreme weather can all of a sudden reach a crisis state no one was prepared for.
I've always said, that it's the thing you least suspect that always gets you. _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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FoxV Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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| canis_lupus wrote: | It's strange, as a business owner I find myself not caring about the almond crop, or the water-intensive crops grown in the ASW that never should have been used for farming anyway
Tough nuts.
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You may want to have a closer look at billg's list of affected crops. You may not care about almonds, but you may care about having to pop a handful of multi-vitamins each day to hold off malnutrition. If that doesn't bother you than the kidney stones you'll be passing from involuntary grain and meat only diet certainly will.
If you get bored eating corn flakes, don't think about going to a restaurant. There will be nothing available there that you could afford; that you won't already be sick of eating anyways ('Spaghetti 5 days in a row? Yuck! Lets go out for some Ravioli and lets splurge this time and share a garden salad. Boy am I ever craving a salad')
This lovely future also implies that there is enough grains , dairy and meat around for you to get sick of
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The_Toecutter Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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Certain types of flies can be used to pollinate crops as well. Possible short-term solution?
Probably not...
"The hungry sheep look up and are not fed... But swollen with wind and the rank mist they draw. Rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread." ~Milton _________________ The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson |
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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There are farms in China where they pollinate by hand. Not that this is a scalable solution. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe? |
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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| Quote: | | Further, the bee problem doesn't affect local hives nearly as much as it does the big apiaries that truck bees to the crops -- "chasing the bloom". | I disgree. I know 3 urban and semi-urban beekeepers with 4 or 5 hives each. They all have lost all their hives multiple times, and have now given up. One has the continuation of hives I kept in my birth neighborhood as a child, and never lost them all in 50 years. They tried everything.
| Quote: | | On the other hand, it's hard to find feral honey bees anymore as the wild colonies have all been decimated. | In the middle of the Monterey, CA agricultural area, a sun deck with flowers a friend keps has solely a few "camp" bees ( a different species of wild bee, and not very industrious ablout pollination). No honeybees at all. Yes, I think the wild european honeybee hives may be pretty well wiped out, which will have very negative effects on wildflower and fruit production, further negatively affecting wild animal populations and plant propagation.
The ecosystem gets one more gash. |
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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Thanks for the pollination list link!
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gnm Expert


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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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| zensui wrote: | | what we need is more bats? ...we're so doomed. |
Currently bats in the northeast US are being wiped out at unprecedented levels by an unknown fungus called the "white nose disease" - whole colonies are dying. Not good news for those with a lot of mosquitoes around.
-G _________________ I Have and will continue to vote against ANY politician who supports the various bailouts. Curse you for selling out our future for status quo now! |
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manu Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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The American dream is fast turning into the American nightmare. The
karma is catching up. |
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DomusAlbion Moderator


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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Bee die off threatens 2008 US Ag disaster |
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This problem is with the European honey bee. There are various other bees that pollinate and are not experiencing any problems.
We've got a colony of wild honey bees somewhere nearby but I'm planning to put a small hive in our orchard. However, I'm thinking of using what's called a mason bee. Much less likely to sting than the honey bee. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
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