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auscanman
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 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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Today's Globe and Mail had an article on
Peak Oil Doomers . The G&M is the mouthpiece of Canada's elite, so I was somewhat surprised by the inclusion of this article.
I think it did a decent job of demonstrating the varied reactions and preparations of people who are legitimately concerned about peak oil. However, I found the comment by the guy at the end of the article kind of stupid, regarding capitalism being infallible.
The overall gist is still to cast people who take peak oil seriously as nutcases, but at least they presented the main arguments of those who were interviewed.
They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article. |
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killJOY
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| Quote: | | The overall gist is still to cast people who take peak oil seriously as nutcases |
You know what?
Fark 'em.
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benzoil
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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Peak Oil will be regarded as the province of nut cases until its picked up by the mainstream. Then, it will be as if we never existed. Then, it'll be regarded as totally obvious, as if every normal person always thought that. Alternately, like the housing bubble, DotCom bubble, Word War II and women's lib following the invention of birth control, they'll say that it was "totally unpredictable".
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DantesPeak
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| auscanman wrote: |
They didn't mention this website... |
Can they handle the truth?
Quite frequently PO.com comes up as the number 1, 2 or 3 web site in the discussion of various PO issues. You can get most of the facts here, or if not here, at theoildrum.
It's hard to believe they wanted a serious discussion of the issues. |
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MattSavinar
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| auscanman wrote: |
They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article. |
Relax buddy, without a url hyperlink in the story it brings in next to no extra traffic. As in not even an extra 50-100 visits over normal.
If they had included a hyperlink, then yeah it would be something to be excited about.
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JPL
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| MattSavinar wrote: | | auscanman wrote: |
They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article. |
Relax buddy, without a url hyperlink in the story it brings in next to no extra traffic. As in not even an extra 50-100 visits over normal.
If they had included a hyperlink, then yeah it would be something to be excited about. |
Ho humm This is My Last Post to this Forum
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auscanman
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| MattSavinar wrote: | | auscanman wrote: |
They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article. |
Relax buddy, without a url hyperlink in the story it brings in next to no extra traffic. As in not even an extra 50-100 visits over normal.
If they had included a hyperlink, then yeah it would be something to be excited about. |
Geez... I meant it as a compliment. Who wouldn't be happy about more publicity for their website? Perhaps you shouldn't assume the worst, or instinctively react in a negative fashion when somebody on this website mentions lifeaftertheoilcrash.net.
FYI I find the articles on the Breaking News section of LATOC a good, informative read. |
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keehah
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| Much psychological projection in the previous post. |
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MattSavinar
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| auscanman wrote: | Perhaps you shouldn't assume the worst, or instinctively react in a negative fashion when somebody on this website mentions lifeaftertheoilcrash.net.
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Just check some of the threads here. Anytime my name or LATOC is mentioned, the howlers - led by the like of JPL - come out in full force.
And even if it wasn't for folks like him, I'd like react the same way as I'm just naturally hostile and adversarial.
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JPL
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| MattSavinar wrote: |
Just check some of the threads here. Anytime my name or LATOC is mentioned, the howlers - led by the like of JPL - come out in full force. |
For a serious reason. Dunnow about led by, though. I'm just an ordinary bloke with opinions & certainly aren't trying to be anyone's guru.
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And even if it wasn't for folks like him, I'd like react the same way as I'm just naturally hostile and adversarial.
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To what end? That's what I keep trying to figure out about LATOC. There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing. Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.
Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.
Hmmmm...
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seahorse
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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JPL,
You need a leader for your "make the world good" cause? Instead of whining about Savinar not doing what you want done, why don't you do it yourself? Start your own website and lead the way. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, but whatever you do, quit crying about what others are doing and just do something yourself. |
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JPL
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| seahorse wrote: | JPL,
You need a leader for your "make the world good" cause? Instead of whining about Savinar not doing what you want done, why don't you do it yourself? Start your own website and lead the way. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, but whatever you do, quit crying about what others are doing and just do something yourself. |
I have always had a vision & a purpose in this debate & I also honestly feel that the best way to lead is by example - which is why I have also posted stuff about our little self-sufficiency experiment here in France - the successes & also the failures.
But I know that if the only person that the world has to rely on is me then we are all, totally & utterly Fark. I'm not your messiah - nor would I wish to be even if I had the qualifications (which I don't).
Only together will we solve these problems. The last thing we need now is yet another prat with a web-site saying he has all the solutions.
(Sorry)
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MattSavinar
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| JPL wrote: |
Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.
Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.
Hmmmm...
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Sorry but I'm not so arrogant as to think I can "change" the world or that I am even smart enough to understand the complexities of how to go about changing a $50 trillion global economy. You'd really have to be pig-headed to think you know how to change things on that scale. You'd have to be something akin to God herself to even understand the complexities of these problems, let alone to think you are a "force" to change things for the better.
Remember what I told you in the other thread: those who claim they want to change the world actually want to control the world.
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There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing.
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I run it as a news aggregation service and the forum gives people a place to discuss things they can't discuss with the general public.
Were you in my shoes, you would likely attempt to use it as a platform for your own grandiose visions of how things should be. This, by definition, assumes that you are so smart and evolved that you can even figure out what should be best for 6.5 billion souls. Since I don't share your grandiose delusions and don't seek to use my site to promote said delusions, you are unable to understand what the point of the site is.
No offense, but your thinking is deeply sick and egotistical even if you are sure you have good intentions. You can't understand me or my work because you and I are in completely different head-spaces with yours being filled with a lot of bizarre delusions of personal power. To you running an online news aggregation service and forum is just too simple and humble for there to be a point to it. That's your problem not mine.
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MattSavinar
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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[quote="JPL" The last thing we need now is yet another prat with a web-site saying he has all the solutions.
JP[/quote]
Exactly. But that is exactly what you suggest I use LATOC for, as a way to create "positive change."
Using the site to create "positive change" assumes that I (or whoever) is even smart or evolved enough to fully understand the complexities of these problems, let alone offer solutions for "positive change", whatever the hell that means.
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xerces
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers |
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| JPL wrote: |
To what end? That's what I keep trying to figure out about LATOC. There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing. Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.
Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.
Hmmmm...
JP |
What is the point of this debate again? Everyone has their own definition of a positive society. And frankly, quite a few people here seems to be carrying out their versions of it. The undiscovered country will be very interesting no? 
I have some experience in detailing with high-end NYC lawyers. Matt's intellect, imho, is unfortunately not quite sharp enough to be competitive. As country lawyer otoh....
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