Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
bobaloo wrote:
Second, you've forgotten about state constitutions, many of which actually provide more protection than the federal constitution. For example, here in Oregon, off the top of my head, it says something along the lines of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms for the defense of themselves and others shall not be infringed," with none of the confusing "militia" language inserted.
And it's part of the reason I moved here. More weapons in non-criminal hands means a safer and more peaceful place to live. I have a family to raise and wouldn't ever want to live in a no CCW state again. _________________ Got Dharma?
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
eastbay wrote:
And it's part of the reason I moved here. More weapons in non-criminal hands means a safer and more peaceful place to live. I have a family to raise and wouldn't ever want to live in a no CCW state again.
Same here. States with CHL/CCW have decreasing crime rates, while those with continually more restrictive gun laws experience increasing crime. Let them go to hell with their academic postulations whilst ignoring pragmatism.
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
My prediction: There won't be a Second Amendment come this summer, because there won't be a US Constitution, or a USA to speak of, thanks to the falling Yankoslavian Dinar... _________________ "When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around."--The Police
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
chrispi wrote:
My prediction: There won't be a Second Amendment come this summer, because there won't be a US Constitution, or a USA to speak of, thanks to the falling Yankoslavian Dinar...
THIS summer, you say?
Ok. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
NiKfUrY69 wrote:
A disarmed society is a passive society.
Later - NiK
ok - my point is that apparently, so is an armed society.
i'm not in favor of banning guns. hell, despite all the redneck brouhaha, anyone who watched Bowling for Columbine all the way through would know that even Fatty McLibbylib Michael Moore doesn't think the availability of guns are the problem.
i just think these gun grandstanders are completely full of crap.
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
GeoJAP wrote:
aflurry wrote:
it's not surprising that people want to control guns when the only real-life things people do with them is retarded crap.
This statement shows your lack of maturity and understanding. It's unfortunate.
then you are not understanding my comments. guns may have played a role in the popular resistance in the events you cite, but their existence in those conflicts is completely neutral. they also exist abundance in areas of prolonged tribal warfare, warlord rule, multi-generational civil war, and drug gang fighting. their presence there also, by the way, completely neutral.
my comments were unclear. i meant inside the US, in my own personal experience. all i have personally seen is drunken killings (one right in front of my favorite burrito place on saturday night - killed my appetite as well as some poor kid), ted nugent, and drug gangs. even so, as i have said, i'm not in favor of banning guns. (though i am in favor of sensible controls.) what i am saying is that since the american gun-freedom lobby has over and over again proven that the only time they will ever even speak of picking up their guns for freedom is when they imagine they will be taken away, that since they and their guns both are eerily silent about the actual losses of liberty going on in their country right now, that since all you ever get are pompous "...just be patient" Dr. Elvilisms like NiKfUrY69, that i can understand the gun control impulse.
i am not saying I agree, but i can understand it as something a hell of alot more substantial than whiney liberalism, but as a real attempts to mitigate complicated daily problems that people are actually experiencing in their real lives - compared to which, some cooked up Red Dawn action fantasy seems a little irrelevant.
anyway - there's no talking to people for whom it's lucky the word "gun" is a single syllable.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
aflurry wrote:
guns don't protect freedom - people do.
Yes - you are correct - but not unarmed people. Unarmed people go to the camps and die.
As to any whiny complaints about gun owners not doing your personal bidding - go buy one and let me know how its workin' for YOU.
AND WTF IS A "i am in favor of sensible controls" MEAN? There is no such thing.
"Gun Free" zones don't work. Too many listings to list. Besides, it just means a safe zone for shooters. Perhaps someone should pursue a law suit against companies or government entities for creating deadly areas where self defense is fatally restricted and they fail to provide adequate protection.
"...just be patient" Dr. Elvilisms like NiKfUrY69.
This mean just what is says - just be patient, don't go off half cocked, wait and see. There is no organiztion is this area. No one will step up and say "I defy...". We have historically seen what happens. People die, the government denies and nobody goes to jail.
Suggest you do a review of the concept of Leaderless resistance Lottsa potential there.
i'm sorry, what part of this article am i supposed to be instructed by?
this quote?
"The shooting was rare in a country where handguns are strictly banned and only five politicians are known to have been killed since World War II."
this one?
"The gunman, Tetsuya Shiroo, a senior member of Yamaguchi-gumi, Japan's largest organized-crime syndicate, was wrestled to the ground by officers after the attack and arrested for attempted murder, the police said."
maybe if the mayor was armed and the gun was stored strategically in the small of his back, the gun would have defected the bullet? that must be it.
the presence of guns in your stories of liberation is canceled out by the presence of guns in stories of cohersion. should we strive for the hights of liberty demonstrated in the pakistan frontier?
and i already said i don't think banning guns is a good idea... and about the sensible controls... well try to wrap your fundamentalist head around this: i'm not sure what it means. whatever works. whatever strikes a reasonable compromise between individual freedom and public safety. waiting periods, gun registration, gun free zones in bars and schools? maybe it's different for different communities - you know, like the definition of obscenity. and if the plan shows serious flaws, then i'm open to changing it. i don't run on the strident fumes of fundamentalism - not on this issue at least.
my main comment is that you all have misplaced allegiance. i think a gun is just a tool, like a hammer. the problem is that while to a man with a hammer everything becomes a nail - it seems as though to a man with a gun everything becomes a target.
GeoJAP wrote:
States with CHL/CCW have decreasing crime rates, while those with continually more restrictive gun laws experience increasing crime.
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