Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
The "beer award" meaning to get drunk and write an AP article that grossly overstates what is known? The justice haven't agreed on anything yet. Their opinion won't be released for months. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
The "beer award" meaning to get drunk and write an AP article that grossly overstates what is known? The justice haven't agreed on anything yet. Their opinion won't be released for months.
It was very obvious from the outset of today's proceedings where the justices' opinions lie. The court will most likely rule in favor of Heller. The only question is how narrowly they decide to interpret the Second Amendment. This is very ground breaking. The second amendment has not been interpreted in a definitive fashion for 217 years, and i this court was asking questions today which appear as though it will do so.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
I commended you on your one statement and agreed partially without another. Then I stepped ona troll turd (complete with strident fumes).
"If guns are banned - gun crimes go away." This was the fairy tale the Japanese article was aimed at. Criminal elements + guns + ban + broad daylight = dead politician.
"The gunman, Tetsuya Shiroo" took one for team, thereby indicating the powerlessness of the both laws and political entities from preventing them from doing whatever they want. Now insert Bloods, or Klan or what have you and read it in the NY Times or San Diego Blah.
Bad people will get guns whenever they want them - regardless of laws - and use them as they will. Gun laws have the greatest affect on law abiding citizens, not criminals.
As for "the presence of guns in your stories of liberation is canceled out by the presence of guns in stories of cohersion"... Iraq is our sterling example of liberty and freedom. You cannot give these to a people, they must be earned.
Ah screw it. Who cares.
As to instruction, I apologize. That was not my intent. I've instructed before and this ain't it. Requires active listening or a desire to hear on the part of the instructee. Can't get there from here.
In spite of your fundacrapulist pinnings and misplaced allegiances rant, you are correct in one more thing. Guns are tools (a number of folks you wail on have even specifically stated such in other areas).
But let's cut this meat closer to the bone. Who did the shooting at your beaner joint? Did the victim die? Was the shooter a legally carrying citizen? Are there such creatures in your neck of the woods? What did anyone, including you, do to protect the victim? Did anyone give first aid? How long before the cops, ambulance or coroner show up? Would it have been any different if the shooter used a handgun, shotgun or rifle? Or a ball bat, hammer or knife?
Apparently he failed to protect himself. Apparently those around him failed to protect him. Apparently the police failed to protect him. Whose fault is that?
In spite of the question marks, I'm not really interested in those answers, the event is past. Learn from it.
"it seems as though to a man with a gun everything becomes a target." I've never drawn down on or shot anyone here in the States. In over 30+ years of gun ownership, never once. But if harm comes to me or my family, whose fault is it? I feel it would be mine for not doing everything in my power to ensure their and my safety.
Not being able to do so due to the lack of Constitutionally guaranteed tools is not acceptable. Especially after making several contributions to the cause.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
Aflurry, you're a juvenile tard. I normally don't resort to name-calling, but you take the prize for Teh Internets Asshat of the Week.
You obviously have never been to a state with CCW/CHL. You have no idea what it is like to live a society where legally licensed citizens are armed in public. But that won't deter you from taking the arrogantly moral high ground in this issue anyway.
I have a family to provide for. People depend on me at work to develop and manage many of the backbone systems at a 9 billion dollar chip manufacturing facility. If, god forbid, someone should threaten me with deadly force so that I will not be able to go home and take care of those who depend on me, it is my responsibility to defend myself. That is not "retarded crap", as you so eloquently put it. Grow up.
If you ever come to a state where we have CHL/CCW, I think you will be surprised. People behave with more politeness to one another. There are fewer burglaries as well. There are no "gun fights and blood running in the streets".
You look up the statistics. I'm not doing your homework for you, lazy. I've already done the research. States with CHL are experiencing decreasing crime rates, while those that ban firearms are experiencing increasing crime rates.
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
Quote:
"Americans have a right to own guns, Supreme Court justices declared Tuesday in a historic and lively debate"
That's the opening line of the Yahoo article that somebody above linked.
That is one of the most misleading opening lines I have ever read.
I know they massage the news daily, but didn't know they were now fabricating Supreme Court decisions.
Like I said, wait for the paper.
You have 4 die hard liberals on the court who are definitely all for restricting gun rights.
You have 4 others who are nominal conservatives.
Then you have Kennedy, who is flipflopper.
Seems to me that this is not in the bag until I see an opinion signed by five members of the court that says, "the second amendment is an individual liberty."
Anything less than that leaves the door open to Federal laws restricting gun rights.
They could go as far as to say, "gun ownership is not an individual liberty."
Perhaps they get cute - it's only a liberty in your home.
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Guns, 2nd Amendment, This Summer . . .
GeoJAP wrote:
It was very obvious from the outset of today's proceedings where the justices' opinions lie.
That's great. I will believe it when the opinion is issued. The SCOTUS, like the rest of the federal government, has been engaged in a full out assault on the bill of rights for a good decade now. I see no reason to presume they're going to waiver from that just because of the tenor of the court hearing.
Like PopeGideon said. Wait for the ruling. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
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