Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
The evidence is antidotal. The last two big gun shows here in central Florida were wall to wall. I am not sure whether it is the economy that is driving the purchases or the anticipation that once the Dems control both houses of congress and the presidency they will enact another series of gun bans.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Cloud9 wrote:
The evidence is antidotal. The last two big gun shows here in central Florida were wall to wall. I am not sure whether it is the economy that is driving the purchases or the anticipation that once the Dems control both houses of congress and the presidency they will enact another series of gun bans.
That's all the repubs have going for themselves, huh. NRA.....
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
It is very possible, and we certainly are due to some type of rebellion. Many people say that the reason there hasn't been enough uprising so far is because Americans are lazy, or too busy working, or getting entitlements, whatever. Personally, I think it is mainly because anytime an uprising starts to occur - it is knocked down and stopped before it even has much of a chance. The other reasons given above just feed into that because there is some truth to it and it gives people less hope.
By the way - what was the name of that group several years ago that was in Montana? Remember? They had hoarded guns and food and were stating that they no longer wanted to be in this society? I have been trying to recall their name for quite some time.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
A revolution of fat people would be worth seeing! _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Ludi is right,
Who or what is the revolution going to be against?
The French revolted for Liberty, Equality and Fraternity and they got - The Emperor Napoleon. The Russians revolted against the Tsar and ended up with Stalin. In the US you have got what you vote for (allegations of vote rigging aside).
The vast majority of the population in the US from my exposure to them are extremely law abiding and completely conditioned from TV and the media to think inside the box.
mmaster made this comment,
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A revolution of fat people would be worth seeing
I don't know if he was being flippant or not but I think this is a very valid point.
New statistics reveal that a startling 64.5% of American adults, or more than 120 million people, are overweight or obese. The numbers probably will mean an explosion of diabetes and heart disease cases if things don't improve, top U.S. obesity experts say.
The number of Americans who are overweight is at the highest level ever recorded.
Those stats are 6 years old so the picture now is probably even worse. _________________ www.askaboutenergy.com
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Ludi wrote:
Kaj wrote:
my guess is that in the event of crisis, those white surburbanites with guns will probably look to government for protection, and backlash against minorites.
Do you mean they will leave their suburbs in search of minorities to attack?
Hey Ludi, no I didn't mean people will travel far just to attack minorities, but they may well expell them from their communities etc - I don't really know how far it could go, but sadly, minorities are often scapegoats in times of crisis. This is why the proto-fascist British National Party are the only ones in Britain talking about PO right now - they are eagerly awaiting a major financial crisis that will hit working-class Brits so that they will sweep to power on a wave of anti-minority blame sentiment.
I am prepared to be corrected, but my guess is that the American citizenry currently lacks the organisation necessary for revolution. By any meaningful 'revolution' we have to mean the 'turning around' of power, right? This ultimately has to mean the ousting of the self-serving banking elites who are at the pinnicle of the system - who exploit hard working Americans as much as they do the rest of the world. Even a conservative revolution, such as a revolution to re-assert the Constitution, would have to achieve this goal.
Well, a revolution has to be based on a pre-existing base, with some kind of organisational framework. A bunch of angry, hungry individuals can only lead to temporary riots. Furthermore, without organisations that they can gather in (strong trade unions, for example) their anger can easily be exploited by those in power, and deflected to other outlets, like racist outlets (including racism against peoples outside American borders). If the central government promises to organise emergency measures like rations, and to deal harshly with America's 'enemies' at the root of America's problems, then I fear Americans can be co-opted.
Its not just race minorities we're talking about either -
America presides over a commercial empire, and to maintain that, it has had to sustain an ideology of individualism - the American Dream. This ideology has been very well maintained to the exclusion to alternatives based upon principles of sympathy (environmentalism, welfare, meaningful aid etc.). However, we know that this dream can only be sustained as long as America maintains its resource-sucking global hegemony.
We see that as the dream crumbles - and it has already crumbled in certain states where industry has declined in the north - the destitute American working class do not tend to turn to organisation/politics/revolution but to religion. Of the corporate, evangelical sort. The culture of individualism has left such a moral vacuum in America, that religion is the only alternative that these desperate people see.
Sometimes religion can be revolutionary. But I'm sure I don't need to point out how anti-revolutionary the Christian Right of America is. Nor how anti-women, anti-gay etc. they are too.
So, in conclusion, American citizens need to get their asses together into large organised coalitions if they want to effect real change in a crisis. Fortunately, this is not far-fetched either, if people put the effort in. The internet must be protected too.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
More evidence of tension building. Live on CNBC, angry homeowners advocacy group protests Fed's bailout of Bear Sterns and not bailing them out - protest at Bear Sterns.
This isn't even the first inning. Give Americans until about 2015, after they are broke from this housing crisis turned credit crisis, after PO hits, after they have failed to devote any money or resources to their electrical grid, after they have wasted $3 trillion on ME wars but gotten nothing for them, and after Medicare and Social Security go in the red. I think in 2015, we will look back and see this budding protest as only the beginning and will look back and say, if only we knew then, what we know now.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Looks like others feel the rise of tensions.
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We have some news for the Illuminati. The people are fed up with socialism for the rich, and moral hazard gone wild. We predict that a revolution is coming, so you better be careful, or you will all end up swinging at the end of a rope for treason. You will be the ones who will be "bagged an' tagged," and your media morons will be "tarred and feathered" as they watch the trap doors open.
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
seahorse2 wrote:
Looks like others feel the rise of tensions.
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We have some news for the Illuminati. The people are fed up with socialism for the rich, and moral hazard gone wild. We predict that a revolution is coming, so you better be careful, or you will all end up swinging at the end of a rope for treason. You will be the ones who will be "bagged an' tagged," and your media morons will be "tarred and feathered" as they watch the trap doors open.
H.R.1955 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
Rumor that a confidential document with limited circulation is being circulated in Congress warning of war with China and others if US defaults on its debts and of revolution if the US tries to raise taxes to pay those same debts.
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
seahorse2 wrote:
Rumor that a confidential document with limited circulation is being circulated in Congress warning of war with China and others if US defaults on its debts and of revolution if the US tries to raise taxes to pay those same debts.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
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The document is being called the "C & R" document because it reportedly states that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world
"Conflict" is the "C word" in the document
The other scenario is that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government.
Congress is finally starting to catch on. Somebody wake Clyde up. _________________ "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Is America going to have a Revolution?
seahorse2 wrote:
Rumor that a confidential document with limited circulation is being circulated in Congress warning of war with China and others if US defaults on its debts and of revolution if the US tries to raise taxes to pay those same debts.
I saw that today. We had Cheney's energy task force meeting a couple years ago, I'm assuming to prepare for the Big Rollover. Looks like the rollover was in 05, so they had a four year head start or so.
This one is probably early as well. I don't think the pot's even close to boiling over, but the heat is on, and the first bubbles are forming at the bottom. It doesn't take all that much for a simmer to boil over.
I think any serious domestic trouble is a couple years away. We need to have homeless former-middle-class people to have instability make a foothold.
That could be why the government wants to bail out homeowners.
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