[Shelter] Heat - Wood (was Wood Stoves)

fireplaceguy · Heavy Crude Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 271

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fireplaceguy · Heavy Crude Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 271

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The stove I'm looking at is a different version of this called the Lietenant II made by Flame.

Model: X.T.D. 1.1HH Item Number: 5531-427
See Dealer For Price
EPA and mobile home approved
Clean lines, uncluttered design
Durable steel plate construction
Warp-resistant solid cast iron door
Self-cleaning "Neoceram" window system; offers an exceptional view of the flame
Unique and easy to use, air intake control mechanism
Rugged masonry baffle, insulated with a ceramic fibre blanket
Stainless steel air injector tubes, for a super-clean burn
Advanced combustion system, "High Efficiency" and low emissions
Uses less wood, produces more heat and less smoke
Intergrated heat exchanger, with hot air outlets on top
Large, easy to use ash drawer, in a pedestal base
Mobile Home Approved
EPA (environmental protection agency) approved (only EPA approved stoves are legal to sell in BC)
Can use blower HH# 5531-775DIMENSIONS:
22-1/4"W x 30-1/4"H x 22-3/4"DCOMBUSTION CHAMBER:
18-1/4"W 14"DSmoke pipe diameter: 6"
Door opening: 8-1/4"H x 16"W
Glass surface: 7-3/4"H x 13-3/4"W
Steel thickness: Top
1/4"PERFORMANCE:
Recommended surface: 550 to 1250 sq. ft.
BTU range. per. hr.: 9900 to 420000
Burn time (low): 3 to 7 hours
Firebox volume: 1.65 cu. ft.
Efficiency up to: 70%
Average grams/hour (E.P.A.) 5.9CLEARANCE TO COMBUSTIBLES:
Single wall pipe: -rear wall 15" -side wall: 13"
corner from stove: 10"
Double wall pipe:
rear wall 12"
side wall 12"
corner from stove: 7"OPTIONS:
100 CFM Blower (variable speed) (HH #5531-775)

My place is only 700 sq ft. this one heats 600-1200 sq ft and actually costs more, than the cheaper version I want to get that heats1600 sq ft. does it make a difference if I get a stove that can heat a space larger than the one I have? or will it let me bank the fire for a longer burn at night?

when it says: Double wall pipe:
rear wall 12"
side wall 12"

does that mean that if I use double wall pipe I only need 12" clearances?

Shannymara · Master Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5389 Location: Oklahoma

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Shanny: if you are moving will you install there or take it with you?

Shannymara · Master Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5389 Location: Oklahoma

patience · Expert Joined: Jan 04, 2008 Posts: 1503

Winters can be cold in Indiana, and require some heating, but summers can hit 100 deg F. With that in mind, and wanting to have wood for fuel, I came up with an idea.

I have a steel fabrication and machine shop, and have built several heating stoves. What if I make one convertible, from heating to cooking? I can do that by building a box type end-burning airtight, with a removable baffle plate, then, add a second small feeding door and a small cookstove type firebox (removable) near the cooktop. In summer, install that smaller firebox and use the small feed door to make it an efficient cookstove that doesn't overheat the house so badly. (It'll go in the summer kitchen then.)

Is there history of such things? I don't want to reinvent the wheel, and will freely plagiarize from any existing designs out there. Anyone?
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fireplaceguy · Heavy Crude Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 271

uNkNowN ElEmEnt - The drawback of sizing a stove for a small space is that the smaller fireboxes won't hold enough wood for an all-night burn. This is particularly true when you're burning pine rather than hardwood. You may want to put in the larger unit but that has drawbacks too. The biggie is that when you get a full load going for the night, you'll probably overheat the place before it's burning well enough to damp it down.

Your call. Personally I'd choose too much heat - not enough is just no fun! Neither is getting up in the middle of the night because the fire's out and the house is freezing. At least with the larger firebox you'd get a longer burn at night. Unless you have a very open floorplan, you'll find it's challenging to move heat around a mobile home. The best solution I've found is also the cheapest - use box fans at floor level and blow cold air from other rooms toward the stove.

I'm not familiar with the stove you're looking at, but from what you posted you can use double wall connector pipe (that's the pipe that runs between the stovetop to the ceiling) and reduce clearances to 12". Here in the US, double wall connector is REQUIRED for mobile home installations anyway.

Space is always at a premium in a mobile home so clearance matters! I like Pacific Energy or Regency stoves for mobile homes. They're both Canadian made and both mobile home approved. They have quite a bit of heat shielding that comes standard, allowing closer clearances. Stoves are big, so minimizing the obstruction in the room really helps! PE is considerably less pricey than Regency...

Mobile home installations generally don't allow venting the stove through the wall. This is not an option in the US, anyway, and I'd bet it isn't in Canada either. You'll most likely have to go out through the roof. If the installer has any doubts about guaranteeing the roof penetration in writing, just coordinate with your roofer so you don't have to worry about leaks.

Unfortunately it's not cheap to do this right, but the rewards are huge. Wood heat is luxurious, and you'll be in complete control of your heat source. You can easily cook and/or boil water on the stove top, too. There aren't many preps you can make that have such a positive impact on your overall situation.
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fireplaceguy · Heavy Crude Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 271

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Patience,

I skied out to a cabin above treeline this past weekend that had an Adriatic stove, which is actually a kerosene boat stove. It has a damper that allows you to either heat a smaller part of the stove, or you can open the damper and heat an oven section too.

Adriatic Diesel Cookstove

There were all kinds of negative comments in the cabin log about the thing getting airlocked and not working, but we had no trouble. It sucked kerosene, though; over 2 gallons a day that we had to haul up over 2000 feet of vertical in a pulk. Maybe you could do better with a woodstove design. A boat stove made for 45 foot yachts above treeline--only in AK.
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Revi · Fusion Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3233 Location: Maine

The woodstove gives you a primal feeling. It's the hearth. The cheery glow that it gives off and the warmth pulls every human and creature in the house towards it, and puts them to sleep.

You can feel good about it, because the rest of the house is a little colder, but the oil burner isn't coming on because you stuck the stove near the thermostat. Clever, huh? You can also cook stews and beans and things on the woodstove, slowly.

It is the ultimate emergency thing, providing both heat and cooking.

I am looking forward to April when we stop using it, because we're almost out of wood and I don't feel like fighting the snowdrifts to get more right now.
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Shannymara · Master Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5389 Location: Oklahoma

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