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Bas Moderator


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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| Quote: | Dutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders has posted a controversial film critical of Islam's holy book, the Koran, on the internet.
The opening scenes show a Koran, followed by footage of the attacks on the US on 11 September 2001.
The 15-minute film was posted on a video-sharing website.
Its planned release had sparked angry protests in Muslim countries. The Dutch government has dissociated itself from Mr Wilders' views.
The film is called "Fitna", a Koranic term sometimes translated as "strife". Dutch broadcasters have declined to show it.
Images from the bomb attacks on London in July 2005 and Madrid in March 2004 are also shown.
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Bas Moderator


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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here's the link to the movie:
http://www.themoviefitna.com/
*disclaimer, could be insulting to Muslims and I disasociate myself from the contends of this movie*
edit: first reactions are that the movie is not as shocking/insulting as first expected. _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
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americandream Fission

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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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You could do something along these lines with all religions. I dunno what this Dutch dude's getting so excited about.
Waste of money and time if you ask me. Anyoner with half a brain would know that Islam and all religions in general are a pack of fuedalistic mumbo jumbo. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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Drake Tar Sands


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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Well, some are more mumbo jumbo than others.
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mos6507 Fusion


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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| Bas wrote: |
*disclaimer, could be insulting to Muslims and I disasociate myself from the contends of this movie* |
translation:
Islam is the religion of peace!
....please don't saw my head off with a rusty knife
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mos6507 Fusion


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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| These guys swinging swords calling for beheading Jews make Reverend Wright look like MLK. |
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3aidlillahi Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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*disclaimer, could be insulting to Muslims and I disasociate myself from the contends of this movie* |
Do Muzlims seem like the type of intelligent people that would be able to track you down and hurt you from your internet postings? I doubt it. No need to protect yourself.
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americandream Fission

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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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| Drake wrote: | | Well, some more are more mumbo jumbo than others. |
As I said, anyone with half a brain. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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gampy Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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The movie isn't all that offensive, really. But I am not a muslim, so I can't speak to that.
As polemic/propaganda, it's rather crude, and unsophisticated.
I have seen better from Aryan/Nazi groups, and 9/11 Truthers.
What I find rather disturbing is that it's being censored by the Dutch government, and internet providers. That is scarier than the film.
I guess these entities fear the Muslim horde as much as the film-maker.
That should tell you more about the issue than the film itself. It actually helps this guys argument. |
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3aidlillahi Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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Bas, you mind watching this: Muslim reaction to film
And then relating it to us? We don't speak Dutch. |
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kakkerlak Tar Sands


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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The entire purpose of this movie is to create fear and hate.
The result of showing the 9/11 attacks, a crying women, a lot of blood, a few angry imams and some well chosen quotes from the Koran is a negative emotional response. And the popularity of Geert Wilders is the direct result of these emotions.
| americandream wrote: | | I dunno what this Dutch dude's getting so excited about. |
It's all about votes! If Geert Wilders is really interested in making things better he would use all his energy to promote mutual-understanding and respect, not fear and hate.
btw...
I expected more from this movie.
It's only 15 minutes long and extremely boring.
*hiding under your refrigerator*
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bl00k Heavy Crude


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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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Well at least one thing is clear, Wilders doesn't have a clue when it comes to Peak Oil. He's even pissing off quite a few oil-producing nations. But he would definitely be in favor of reducing reliance of oil coming from Islamic countries. Maybe not for the right reasons but hell, anything that gets us of oil will do! _________________ The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. |
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bl00k Heavy Crude


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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Dutch MP posts Islam film on web |
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| 3aidlillahi wrote: | Bas, you mind watching this: Muslim reaction to film
And then relating it to us? We don't speak Dutch. |
The first guy, Mohammed Rabbae, says that he hopes all Muslims & Muslim-organizations will react the same on this movie, which is responding calm and democratic. In between these segments, it is said that Wilders finds it very odd that people react on his movie when it hasn't even been released yet. Mohammed Rabbae says its never to early to talk about these kinds of things. The second man, Aissa Meziani, expects it to stay quiet. "People from that region (Limburg, Province of the Netherlands) are patient and will respond when necessary". The third gentleman in the audience wants to enter debate with supporters of Wilders.
By the way, this video is from when the Fitna-movie wasn't public yet. All in all, it seems these Muslims seem very reasonable and eager to enter in debate with people who agree with Wilders. _________________ The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. |
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deMolay Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Fitna the Movie |
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| I saw it yesterday when it was released. Its overdone and melodramatic by US production standards, but then its mainly targetted at the Dutch audience. |
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