Cash, Gold, Silver, Motorhome?

katkinkate

I like the motor home idea. You can live in it on the outskirts of town - rent-free or at lower rent than an appartment. Or you might be able to stay in a friend's back yard? Ride bikes in to work or to where you can get public transport and save lots of money. If you don't have to move your camp too often you won't need to drive much, but you have mobility and can take all your stash if you do need to move. If the economy bubbles along for a while yet, you might be able to save enough to buy a small piece of land outright, to grow stuff and you have an instant home to put on it - debt-free.

I've been thinking of doing something similar, myself. But I plan to quit my job first and buy a small campervan, or a second-hand delivery van and throw a matress and camp gear in the back. Use it to travel a bit to visit far-flung family for maybe a last time then visit the 3 areas I've picked out I would most like to live for the rest of my life and I'll look for cheap land I can buy outright with my small savings and investments (if gold keeps climbing I might have enough soon). Then camp on the land till I can either move a small house onto it or build (probably cob or strawbale). The campervan frees me from the high rent environment.

Then I'll need to find a part-time job or make something to sell. That last bit needs figuring out before I commit myself to the plan however.
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but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
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rumble · Tar Sands Joined: Oct 04, 2007 Posts: 44

Welp - I found a dodge truck already converted for biodiesel and veggie oil! (gotta love California) and I have been looking at some great 5th wheels.

Found a place to visit and check out that looks like it might be for me.

Should be outta here by the end of May! Thank god - I have been trying to get stuff together for so long now it seems. It is nice to start seeing things come together.

I'm going to be buying guns. I haven't been able to reach my grandpa to ask him, but I was wondering if any of you guys have some good suggestions. I'm thinking a handgun and a shotgun. Kimber is expensive as hell, but I hear it is the best. Is this true?

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jlw61

azreal60

A while back JLW61 you made comments on this thread that I didn't see because I took someone else's advice. I took about a month off from doom, mostly because I was working 80 hours a week. Now that this unhappy state is being corrected, I'm getting back into doom, but with a twist.

I think perhaps you misunderstood some of what I was saying, and took some of what I was saying as aimed at you.

In reverse order;

I fully understood that the Terminator 2 books where works of fiction. But sometimes in fiction there are points made that apply in real life thru simple logic. I don't hear alot of people now adays saying there is land in a good sopt to build that is readily available like they did back in the 70's. Most of the get back to the land books that we regularly look to for ways to homestead give getting land strategies that don't work nearly as well if at all simply because alot more people exist now than then. We could argue the point back and forth, but the simple matter is this. Short of moving well away from any kind of currently available job other than park ranger, there is very little open land that would be useful post peak available now, and a much greater group of people looking for it. That doesn't mean that it can't be had, just that it's much much harder to find.

I'm also not advising you live in Alaska or even Canada honestly. Although if global warming really follows thru, Canada may become more and more of a good idea.

On the subject of America, I know that many people in America are capable. I happen to live there, and while I tend to be on the gloomy side on America as a whole's prospects, I sure plan to survive peak oil. I think the key to my statement is if your looking for Safety, you may want to reconsider that expectation. I think people shouldn't expect safety, and should be prepared for it not being available simply by location. I've seen too many plans that end with evacing to a safe location, and I wanted to disuade anyone of assuming that their new location will be safe. Instead, deal with having the skills to live in an unsafe area, and soon just you and others like you being in the area will Make it safe. It just takes time.

I happen to have a very positive view of how America will survive peak oil. I just think there's alot more shock coming then even most of this board can believe, and when it happens, no one is really prepared. I was trying to prepare Rumble for that idea with a little shaking speech. IMHO, it's better to aquire skills that may be useful than the materials they need. The materials will likely be something your going to pick up as you go. The skills are much more long term investments, and can't be picked up as well on the go. There are exceptions to this rule, many of them, but by and large it stands up.

Over all though, your critique of what I said I wanted to compliment. I see too few Reasoned critiques on the internet. Your's was well thought out, and while I disagree with some of it, the rest made me think. Always the sign of a good arguement, it's supposed to actually ADVANCE the knowledge of both arguers.

Peakoilers, take notice of jlw61's example. Pay special attention that he avoided every point where he could have poked me verbally with some sharp remark and simply disagreed politely instead. It turned what could have been 2 pages of basically name calling into a page of actual knowledge. And knowledge people, is the ultimate tool to have.
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mistel · Heavy Crude Joined: Mar 20, 2005 Posts: 139

I have several diesels that I run on WVO. I have been doing this for years and have lots of experiance doing it. Realistically, it is hard to do on the road. If TSHTF, there will be no WVO available. It already is hard to get unless you have a relationship with a restaurant. If TSHTF and you start going around stealing WVO from restaurant dumpsters (assuming there will be operating restaurants) you are only adding to the chaos. An option would be to collect and store WVO pre-crash, but that presents problems as well, WVO will spoil. You must also rememeber that virtually every vehicle avaiable today in America is very thirsty and will use a lot of WVO. I think people would understand better how much gas/diesel they use if they had to carry all of it!

Anyways, I don`t want to rain on your parade, WVO could be usefull if you keep a supply on hand, like enough to get to where ever you plan to go, and diesel is not available. It could be a lifesaver. Remember also, if you just need 20 gallons or so to get out of town, you can always buy VO in a store and just dump it in your tank. I keep a gallon in my car if I run out of fuel.

Let me know how you propose to use WVO and I can give you some real world advice.

Good luck