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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

An interesting and challenging way to acquire property:

"What is adverse possession?

Traditional common law provided a method for someone to obtain title to land through use. The common law rules for adverse possession have been codified under both federal and state statutes. A typical statute allows a person to get title to land from the actual owner simply by using the land, out in the open for all to see. For example, your neighbor built a fence on your land with the intention of taking the property, paid property taxes, and you knew about it but did nothing. If this continued for a period of time set by state law, your neighbor may be able to claim this property as his/her own. The theory is that, by not disputing your neighbor’s use of your property through a lawsuit, you, as the actual owner have abandoned your rights to the property."

http://real-estate-law.freeadvice.com/real-estate-law/adverse_possession.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Everybody that comes from a land-owning family knows about this. That is why you go cut the fence if your neighbor does not move it in a reasonable amount of time after you ask him to.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I kind of figured anyone interested in this would research their own jurisdiction, cretin. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

When you're posting legal advice on how to steal a person's land, your post should be complete, so that all potential thieves can properly use the law to the best larcenous effect.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If there is a collapse that takes my neighbor away from producing his land, I will start to use. Perhaps i will talk to him about it, maybe not, depends upon the circumstances.

If I use that land and make it productive, am I stealing it? If 15 or 20 years later he or his heirs want to make use of it and take it back, who is stealing from whom?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

As long as property taxes are paid, the county government doesn't seem to give a damn.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Post PO it might not matter. In Kunstler's "World made by Hand" much property is abandoned and law is barely functional. But still I couldn't take someone's land like that.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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When you're posting legal advice on how to steal a person's land, your post should be complete, so that all potential thieves can properly use the law to the best larcenous effect.


Oh well, guess that's not my "code." Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What if the property has been abandoned or foleclosed on?

If a bank or gov't owns it...that might be a good time to throw up a fence & plant a garden on said property.

It may be vacant for years & wool-ah...you've just doubled the size of your property Smile

You may want to get some help building the fence & pay that person a small fee by check...then there will be a witness & record of the date in which you "claimed" that portion of property.

I wonder if you squatted in a house for so long...if the actual house would become yours as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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What if the property has been abandoned or foleclosed on?

If a bank or gov't owns it...that might be a good time to throw up a fence & plant a garden on said property.

It may be vacant for years & wool-ah...you've just doubled the size of your property Smile

You may want to get some help building the fence & pay that person a small fee by check...then there will be a witness & record of the date in which you "claimed" that portion of property.

I wonder if you squatted in a house for so long...if the actual house would become yours as well.



This is the sort of property I was thinking of when I posted this thread. Property which no one apparently wants, which is not being cared for, is abandoned.

It is likely the house would be yours if you paid taxes on it, but, research the laws of your state.

This isn't something to enter into lightly, it requires a commitment and persistence, as well as some guts.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Like I said, it's real simple, and only people with shady morals - the kind that decent people are well advised to avoid - see gray in this.

Back in the day before computers and town halls and every square inch of land mapped out in the United States and owned by somebody, there was a time when it was not always possible to determine title to the land.

There is not an acre of land in the United States currently unclaimed. If there is, let me know and I'll be happy to go put my stake down.

Therefore, the only argument you'll hear as to why AP should still be legal is this . . .

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If there is a collapse that takes my neighbor away from producing his land, I will start to use. Perhaps i will talk to him about it, maybe not, depends upon the circumstances. If I use that land and make it productive, am I stealing it? If 15 or 20 years later he or his heirs want to make use of it and take it back, who is stealing from whom?


It is you stealing from him, and frankly I have no regard for anybody who is so devoid of basic morals that he finds this a tough question.

If the taxes aren't paid, then the land is foreclosed by the taxing authority, and you can buy it.

If the taxes are paid, then somebody else owns the land.

What sort of horshithead professor-type came up with the argument that the mere fact that a man is "not producing his land" somehow brings into question that he owns the land?

Part of my land, while I'm living and still legally capable, will NOT be developed - I like it just the way it is - swampy, buggy, etcetera.

Am I not the proper owner if some yahoo starts growing potatoes on it?

This kind on nonsense is left over from a day when it was a necessity.

It no longer is, and, like Georgian sodomy laws, the time for burying this nonsense is long gone.

By the way, it's also the unproductive freeloaders of the world who think AP is a good concept.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
only people with shady morals - the kind that decent people are well advised to avoid - see gray in this..... the unproductive freeloaders of the world who think AP is a good concept.


Yep, that's me all over - an unproductive freeloader with shady morals.

Ask anyone! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You are what you are Ludi.

Good luck with the adverse possession.

Nice challenge for you.

Don't get shot in the process - although most people would probably agree with me on this one, most people aren't as non-violent as me.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Adverse possession Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Oh I'm not planning to try it myself. I already have more land than I can handle.


I better make sure nobody is adversely possessing it, huh? Smile
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