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Sideous
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 Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:47 am Post subject: Electrified Roads |
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Interesting article on electrified roads from Britain's British National Party.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1513
| Quote: | In an economy where fossil fuels are in decline and renewable and nuclear energy sources are assuming increasingly dominant roles, electricity will become increasingly important as an end-use energy source. This implies that as fossil fuels deplete, the basis of our economy will shift from a predominantly chemical to a mostly electrical base.
This would appear inevitable, yet the implications are not at first easy to see. In an energy economy in which primary energy is in the form of electricity, the critical consideration becomes, how do we convert bulk electricity from a wind turbine, nuclear reactor or wave generator, into a form that we can use to fuel our cars, heat our homes and power our factories? |
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MrMambo
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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I like the idea.. I think a lot of the safety conserns can be overcome by using capacitator or battery as energy source near pedestrian crossings and using a mid-road fence on all the stretches wherere there is electrified road. Also one should be able to use some automated controll on speed and spacing between cars by transmitting controll signals over the rails, wich should reduce the risk of auto-accidents.
But I do not agree that EV-cars has to use rail, implying that batteries are not efficient or able to store enough energy for everyday car-use as of today, thats a myth. |
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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If we're going to go to the effort to embed third rails in roadways, we might as well go all the way and put trains and trams on them. Trying to circumvent the inefficiencies of the single-passenger auto is fatuous thinking, like a diet hot-fudge sundae or something. Sure, it makes us feel better, but doesn't really solve anything in the long run.
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steam_cannon
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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Bump bump bump bump bump!!! 
But seriously the way to do it would be with over head tram wires... Or better yet, with trams 
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Fabian
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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Electrified roads could be a good supplement to battery electric vehicles. Battery electric vehicles will have a limited range with long charge up time. Electrified roads on major roads will resolve this problem.
Electrified roads can make battery electric vehicles a reality.
http://www.4futureenergy.com/Direct_Electric.htm |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| emersonbiggins wrote: | | Trying to circumvent the inefficiencies of the single-passenger auto is fatuous thinking, like a diet hot-fudge sundae or something. Sure, it makes us feel better, but doesn't really solve anything in the long run. |
Did somebody say hot fudge sundae diet?
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As for the idea of single passenger auto ridership, DON'T worry.....the next great economic depression will accomplish what environmentalists have failed to do for decades, get Americans out of their cars. Or maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps Americans will still have their cars, they just won't have their homes anymore.  |
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| cube wrote: | | Perhaps Americans will still have their cars, they just won't have their homes anymore. |
Sadly, this is probably true.
Time to buy one of these:
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| emersonbiggins wrote: | | cube wrote: | | Perhaps Americans will still have their cars, they just won't have their homes anymore. |
Sadly, this is probably true.
Time to buy one of these:
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The Sprinter is a sweet utility van, several of the vendors in this are have been switching their fleets over as they retire older cargo vans. From talking to the delivery people they ride nice and smooth and they are decent on diesel fuel consumption with their 5 cylender engines.
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| Tanada wrote: |
The Sprinter is a sweet utility van, several of the vendors in this are have been switching their fleets over as they retire older cargo vans. From talking to the delivery people they ride nice and smooth and they are decent on diesel fuel consumption with their 5 cylender engines. |
That's what I've been hearing - 25 MPG, hauling a load!
These will probably replace much of the 26,000lb delivery trucks you see tooling around cities these days.
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roccman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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Where is the electricity coming from for this effort?
Everytime I read something like this I wonder what is it going to take for people to really get it.
We have less than 5 years (in my mind MUCH less)...before the teeth of PO hit the bone...
I would recommend planting a garden...it is spring time...do something that may have an actual impact.
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| emersonbiggins wrote: | | If we're going to go to the effort to embed third rails in roadways, we might as well go all the way and put trains and trams on them. Trying to circumvent the inefficiencies of the single-passenger auto is fatuous thinking, like a diet hot-fudge sundae or something. Sure, it makes us feel better, but doesn't really solve anything in the long run. |
Maybe that's the plan, just not spoken out loud yet for fear of freaking out the citizenry? Or, maybe not, but these days, it is certainly worth extending the possibility timelines on anything a government does.
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KaiserCesar06
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| I don't envision the idea of a personal automobile for everyone as being part of the future whether it has an ICE or is electric. We need to get over that fantasy if we are going to mitigate the cold harsh truth of fossil fuel decline. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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Thinking out loud:
Would those electrified roads have copper in them?
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dohboi
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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My thought exactly, FL. There's no way we can afford this infrastructure at the point, if we ever could. It's just lunacy.
Already people are stealing copper out of houses and manhole covers off of roads. Any move towards this technofantasy would see people with pick axes at night digging up the copper in the roads. |
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roccman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Electrified Roads |
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| dohboi wrote: | My thought exactly, FL. There's no way we can afford this infrastructure at the point, if we ever could. It's just lunacy.
Already people are stealing copper out of houses and manhole covers off of roads. Any move towards this technofantasy would see people with pick axes at night digging up the copper in the roads. |
The cornucopians will die a slow and painful death, but they will eventually stop moving.
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